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Re: [TowerTalk] balanced line loss on a mismatched antenna

Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] balanced line loss on a mismatched antenna
From: David Gilbert <>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:07:45 -0700
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I guess I'm still confused what there is to gain by building a W8JK 
instead of something like a 2 element yagi.   Mechanically it's at least 
as troublesome as a yagi since the W8JK has two feedpoints.  
Electrically it has negligible additional gain over a yagi, has way 
lower feedpoint impedance, and has zero front/back.  The only advantage 
to a W8JK is that you don't have to adjust the lengths since you feed 
both elements directly and control the current phases that way.   I'd 
bet that it is way more than coincidence that most commercial 
manufacturers have settled on coil-loaded shortened reflector/driven 
elements with a hairpin match at the feedpoint for 2 element 40m gain 
antennas.  The W8JK does allow pretty close spacings (i.e., short boom), 
but if that's the objective you can do as well or better with a 
director/driven element configuration.

Can anyone explain to me why it would be preferable to force feed a W8JK 
design into this situation?

Dave   AB7E

On 2/28/2012 12:04 PM, Paul Christensen wrote:
>> "You'd be way better off with just a dipole (EZNEC says 22 - j600 ohms for a 
>> 44 foot element) and either..."
> I agree with Dave's loss numbers for 44 ft element length.
> However, before giving up and using a shortened 44 ft. dipole, you may want 
> to see if there's a way get the elements lengthened close to a halfwave and 
> still keep spacing at 0.1 wavelength.   Perhaps bring the ends down if you're 
> maxed-out on horizontal space.  If you can, then you can use my prior message 
> as a guide for system loss.  I would still model it with the hanging ends.  
> Otherwise, the 44 ft length on 40m is going to be a real looser with the 8KJ 
> as the added element really drives the impedance down from mutual coupling 
> and the short element length makes it too reactive to keep losses low, even 
> when trying to match at the feedpoint.
> Paul, W9AC
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