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## Re: [TowerTalk] original source of "avoid sharp bends" in lightning

 To: towertalk@contesting.com Re: [TowerTalk] original source of "avoid sharp bends" in lightning David Robbins k1ttt@arrl.net Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:43:35 -0500 (CDT) mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
 ```you have to remember that its not just the impedance, its the travel time to ground compared to the risetime of the lightning stroke. So if there is a bend that isn't too far from some other structure but it is still far enough above the ground so the air can break down before the wave travels to the ground and reflects back up to the height of the bend you can get side flashovers even if the ground is very good. This could be a common condition say where the lightning lead from the top of a 2 story house bends at the corner of the roof to go down the side and there is a tree branch nearby... it would be very likely you could flashover to the branch before the current gets to the ground and back up. that is another part to remember, its always double the travel time... the voltage at a point above ground won't start to drop until the current gets to the ground and the reflection travels back up... this is of course assuming that the impedance of the ground is less than the characteristic or surge impedance of the structure. lightning is fun stuff, but only if you can handle the time factor and understand that a conductor can have very different voltages and currents from point to point. Apr 12, 2012 01:06:53 PM, xdavid@cis-broadband.com wrote: I agree with your reasoning discounting the magnetic coupling effects of a bend. I always assumed that your item 2) was the reason for that recommendation, but intuitively it always seemed to me that if the impedance between the point of the sharp bend and ground was high enough to make the increased electrical field at the bend comparatively high enough for a breakover to occur that it wasn't a very good ground path to begin with. 73, Dave AB7E On 4/12/2012 6:31 AM, Jim Lux wrote: > On 4/11/12 10:33 PM, Grant Saviers wrote: >> might be as simple as: >> >> "Don't do anything that increases the inductance of the grounding wire" ? > the original source might say that, but it's not actually true. Until > you get a full 360 loop, the inductance of a bend isn't much more than > the inductance of the length of wire in the bend. > > if you think about it, the increase in inductance in a loop is because > the magnetic field from one part of the wire interacts with the field > from another. Two pieces of wire at right angles don't couple very > well, parallel pieces do. A 360 loop has coupling "across" the loop, > but with an incomplete loop, much of the loop doesn't couple to anything > else. > > > In any case, that's why I'm looking for the original source. I suspect > that it's either: > > 1) how things were wired back in Ben Franklin's time, and it's carried > on to this day because it doesn't hurt, even if it doesn't help, either. > (the corollary, it takes more time to explain why not than to just do it) > > 2) A sharp bend produces a place where flashover/breakdown is more > likely to occur. > > > I discovered a few weeks ago that a bunch of the grounding conductor > guidelines in power substations (something that amateur radio folks are > unlikely to have to worry about) were based on the behavior of bolts and > materials commonly used at the turn of the last century. So that got me > started.. > > (that, and Ward's article about 468) > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > TowerTalk mailing list > TowerTalk@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TowerTalk mailing list TowerTalk@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TowerTalk mailing list TowerTalk@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk ```
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