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Re: [TowerTalk] Crank-ups.....do NOT lubricate your cables

To: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Crank-ups.....do NOT lubricate your cables
From: "Gene Fuller" <w2lu@rochester.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 10:18:54 -0400
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I"m surprised we haven't heard from at least one ex-navy man who might be familiar with their cable care routine. I know they have "oilers" whose job it is to lubricate/grease the ships cables. There are probably other jobs that involve cleaning and inspection?????
For we who are land bound I would certainly guess that environment would 
play an important part of what the care should entail. In my case I have a 
trolley with a cable that goes  up across the top of the tower. The first 
cable was largely ignored, i.e. not much lubrication, and lasted "only" 
about 10 years. The second, and still present, I have oiled and/or greased 
at least every two or three years. It's now about 30 years and still looks 
like new. I'm sure it helps that I have virtually no blowing dirt or sand 
and no salt water atmosphere.
Gene / W2LU

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 4:22 AM
Subject: [TowerTalk] Crank-ups.....do NOT lubricate your cables


Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 17:22:15 -0700
From: Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
To: Steve Maki <lists@oakcom.org>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Crank-ups.....do NOT lubricate your cables
from US tower

I suspect that rigging companies and crane ops also do regular inspection and cleaning of those cables too, just like the ones on gondola and chair lifts.
On Sep 3, 2012, at 17:05, Steve Maki <lists@oakcom.org> wrote:

I wonder why crane companies keep their cables (on million dollar cranes) lubed religiously?
On this particular topic, I would not place much faith in the 
manufacturer's edicts, unless you're looking for a reason to keep busy 
replacing the cables more often than otherwise needed.
-Steve K8LX
##  all the local ship yards around here  have  55 gallon drums   of 
pre-lube 6, 9,  + 11.  This stuff is literally
poured onto those cables, right at the drum, via an oiler device.   Its 
just penetrating oil, to lubricate the inner strands.
Nobody is changing cables every 3 years.   UST also wants me  to check the 
oil in the gearbox every month, and also
change it out every 2 years.   Turns out those hub city gear boxes were 
never meant to be used for lifting applications.
They were  designed for stuff like conveyor belts, etc.   They are 
actually called ....speed reducers.   They were never intended for
a hoist application.   The  UST control box on the tower is not water 
proof nor is enclosed in anything remotely  close
to a nema box.   Whoever designed their anchor bolt configuration + rebar 
cage  on the HDX-689 was clueless.  Neither
meet any spec here in town.   If you put a 14 foot mast out the top of 
their tower, you can kiss that 70 mph rating goodbye.
I wouldn’t be using the UBC-97  exposure B  specs either, use exposure C, 
or use the  RS-222  rev g specs....if you can find em.
The story I got from the crane and ship yard folks is...   without the use 
of the various grades of prelube  slopped  onto the
cables, the inner strands can rub together..and break.   You cant see 
internal damage  from the outside.
It would be nice if  UST provided detailed instructions on  how to 
re-cable their towers.  They insist you recable their
towers, but then wont provide the info.   Check out their info on how much 
torque required for both the anchor bolts  +
leg bolts..... answer,  snug fit.   What kinda  BS  answer is that.

Jim  VE7RF

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