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Re: [TowerTalk] TDR

Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] TDR
From: Jim Lux <>
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 15:58:57 -0700
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On 9/4/12 1:37 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
On 9/4/2012 1:04 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote:
I'm used to the old Tek pulse type TDRs. What would be the effect on
the trace of a swept frequency TDR
with FFT when the line is terminated with an antenna with several
resonant points,

I don't have a good answer to that.  I do know that both my Ten Tec TAPR
VNA and the DG8SAQ VNA can provide a good TDR that sees a lot of detail
on the line with an antenna attached, and I think the AIM units can
too.  I've also seen what I think are reflections from antenna elements
and from the earth, but might be "wraparound" in the FFT.

It shouldn't make any difference. That is, the time domain and frequency domain are interconvertible, in the "continuous" transform. However with discrete (sampled) transforms, you can run into problems.

Where you WILL get into trouble is if the phase difference between two successive frequencies is > 180 degrees. Then, the unwrapping doesn't always work right. (for a long cable, with high frequencies, this is easy to do, because you have many cycles in the cable)

You need to have enough points to make sure this doesn't happen. It's a particular problem if you have a sharp resonance, because the phase changes very rapidly as you go through resonance.

If your 3dB bandwidth is, say, 100kHz, that implies that you're going to get a phase change of 90 degrees in Z in about that much distance. You get most of 180 degrees in double that (200kHz). So, if your analyzer is sampling every 100 kHz, (e.g. 5000 points from 0 to 500 MHz), you'll probably get into trouble.

A smart analyzer will allow you to tell it something about the system so that when it does the transform it can constrain things. Also, the "easy" transform is the one with evenly spaced points, but you can also do transforms with unevenly spaced points. You can sample more frequently in areas where the Z is changing rapidly, for instance.


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