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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] AN Wireless tower
From: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:16:33 -0700
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That's kind of a silly extrapolation, don't you think? We're talking "moisture" here, not volumes of water. What was the point of that comment??? As a P.E., do you seriously think that concrete is indeed not porous to moisture? Why do you think that all building codes require treated wood for wood that is in permanent contact with concrete floors (i.e., plates at the bottom of frame walls)?? In case someone spills water on the floor? Nope ... it's because moisture can propagate through a concrete slab from the ground beneath it.

Dave   AB7E



On 9/16/2012 6:45 PM, KR7X wrote:
In that case you had better tell all those concrete dams that have been
built that they should not be holding back those reservoirs as they do.

Regards
Lonberg Design Group, Ltd.
H. Lonberg, P.E.,S.E.
Principal


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Gilbert
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] AN Wireless tower


Sorry, but that's an old wives tale.  Concrete itself is porous as hell and
will pass moisture almost as easily as any cinder block. There is no way on
this earth that concrete will keep moisture away from the iron, but the
alkalinity of the concrete will indeed keep the iron from rusting and that's
why our bridges hold together and our towers don't fall over.

73,
Dave   AB7E

p.s.  The specs for my tower called for 16 yards of concrete (9' by 9'
by 5' deep), but it was impossible to carve a hole with straight sides into
this rocky hillside so I ended up with over 20 yards myself.


On 9/16/2012 4:02 PM, Edwin Karl wrote:
Do NOT use cinder blocks or red brick to support iron for the pour
Use concrete material, block pieces, curb stop etc. The purpose
is to keep moisture away from the iron. Cinder and red brick pass the
moisture through.
At least that's what we were told in the before time when I worked
as an iron worker.
I have an HD-90, it's a tough tower. The base got away from me
and we used 22 yds of concrete. It ain't going nowhere.

73
ed K0KL
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