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Re: [TowerTalk] Choice of aluminum

To: K1TTT <K1TTT@ARRL.NET>, "" <>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Choice of aluminum
From: Rudy Bakalov <>
Reply-to: Rudy Bakalov <>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:35:33 -0700 (PDT)
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Your Rohn-25 verticals are indeed impressive, but unfortunately beyond my own 
capability to build unless I hire a tower crew. Ditto for making my own 
aluminum tower.

You reminded me that the other consideration is, if possible, to avoid guy 
wires. And yes, I am considering using 24' sections to make the construction 
even easier.  I guess the design boils down to what size taper I should use. I 
am also wondering how I am going to erect these 68' beasts, but my neighbors 
have any and all earthmoving piece of equipment known to mankind so I am sure 
we can figure it out.

Rudy N2WQ

To: 'Rudy Bakalov' <> 
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:24 PM
Subject: RE: [TowerTalk] Choice of aluminum
My material of choice was rohn-25... you might ask k1ea what he used, he
made free standing 80m verticals.  T6 vs t8 - you probably won't notice the
difference unless you had them side by side and were machining them.  the t8
is a bit harder but has less shear strength.  There are also very comparable
6063 versions if you can't find 6061 for some reason.  I would go with .125
or maybe even .25 for the bottom section or two probably, but I'll bet there
is a design program out there that someone can provide that would give more
specific requirements.  12' has other advantages, like lots less joints!
20-24' would be even better, I know some tubing is available up to 20' at

David Robbins K1TTT
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rudy Bakalov [] 
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 21:09
Subject: [TowerTalk] Choice of aluminum

I was wondering if anyone can help me select the right material for
full-size 80m verticals. My questions are as follows:

1) offers 6061-T6 aluminum, but not T8. Is there a
difference between T6 and T8 for my purpose?
2) Should go for the 0.125 or 0.065 wall thickness?
3) Is 1" tubing OK for the topmost segment? Too stiff for the wind at 70'?
Not strong enough?

I am aware that many ham stores offer 6061-T8 tubing, but I do want to buy
it local in VE3, close to my QTH, in 12' lengths (instead of 6') and avoid
shipping complications due to length or clearing customs.

73 Rudy N2WQ

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