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## Re: [TowerTalk] 43 feet pole for vertical

 To: "Pete Smith N4ZR" , Re: [TowerTalk] 43 feet pole for vertical "Gene Fuller" Thu, 1 Nov 2012 08:28:27 -0400 mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
 For anyone who is "trig challenged",, pencil, paper and a ruler and using about 8 feet to an inch (i.e.1/8th of an inch to a foot) would probably work out close enough. Anyway, trig wouldn't allow for any (though minimal ins this case) sag and wanting to throw in a little extra for tieoff and handling. Gene / W2LU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Smith N4ZR" To: Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 43 feet pole for vertical There *is* no such thing as simple trig, if your last brush with a cosine was 56 years ago! Fortunately, you can back this one out with the old hypotenuse formula. Even I remember how to do that. 73, Pete N4ZR The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com, spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 and arcluster.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 On 11/1/2012 3:35 AM, K8RI wrote: On 10/31/2012 11:00 PM, Hans Hammarquist wrote: I was wondering if someone has experience with a 43 foot vertical, mounted on top of a tower. I used one before on top of my roof, but that one was supported with simple guy wires. Needless to say that is not easy to do if I put it on top of my tower (85 feet tall). Any suggestion? Maybe it is a very stupid idea? Guying at 80 feet is almost as simple as guying when on the roof. I assume the tower is solid so use the same anchor points on the vertical as you would on the roof. It's just the ground guy anchor points have to be farther out. It only takes some simple trig to calculate the length of the guys assuming the yard is farily close to level. Use single or doubly braid poly. 1/8" is strong enough to anchor about 3/4 the way up the antenna. If the tower is 80 feet and the antenna is 43 then 2/3rds of 43 is roughly 28.6 feet (give or take a foot or two) So the height is 80 + 28.8 is 108 feet. If the distance from the tower to the guy anchor is 80 feet then sqrt(108^2 + 80^2) and I don't have a calculator in there to run that last square root. I'd use double braided poly on the vertical and probably Phyllistran on the tower. However I think the 43 foot vertical is going to need radials so I'd use steel for those. I've done that with a 40 tower and 33 foot vertical and it worked just fine. I only used 4 radials but was pleased with the results. Course that was back in the late 60's until about 1980. 73 Roger (K8RI) Hans - N2JFS _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TowerTalk mailing list TowerTalk@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TowerTalk mailing list TowerTalk@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TowerTalk mailing list TowerTalk@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TowerTalk mailing list TowerTalk@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk
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