For anyone who is "trig challenged",, pencil, paper and a ruler and using
about 8 feet to an inch (i.e.1/8th of an inch to a foot) would probably work
out close enough. Anyway, trig wouldn't allow for any (though minimal ins
this case) sag and wanting to throw in a little extra for tieoff and
handling.
Gene / W2LU
 Original Message 
From: "Pete Smith N4ZR" <n4zr@contesting.com>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 43 feet pole for vertical
There *is* no such thing as simple trig, if your last brush with a cosine
was 56 years ago! Fortunately, you can back this one out with the old
hypotenuse formula. Even I remember how to do that.
73, Pete N4ZR
The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at
reversebeacon.blogspot.com,
spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 and
arcluster.reversebeacon.net, port 7000
On 11/1/2012 3:35 AM, K8RI wrote:
On 10/31/2012 11:00 PM, Hans Hammarquist wrote:
I was wondering if someone has experience with a 43 foot vertical,
mounted on top of a
tower. I used one before on top of my roof, but that one was supported
with simple guy wires.
Needless to say that is not easy to do if I put it on top of my tower
(85 feet tall).
Any suggestion? Maybe it is a very stupid idea?
Guying at 80 feet is almost as simple as guying when on the roof. I
assume the tower is solid so use the same anchor points on the vertical
as you would on the roof. It's just the ground guy anchor points have to
be farther out.
It only takes some simple trig to calculate the length of the guys
assuming the yard is farily close to level. Use single or doubly braid
poly. 1/8" is strong enough to anchor about 3/4 the way up the antenna.
If the tower is 80 feet and the antenna is 43 then 2/3rds of 43 is
roughly 28.6 feet (give or take a foot or two) So the height is 80 + 28.8
is 108 feet. If the distance from the tower to the guy anchor is 80 feet
then sqrt(108^2 + 80^2) and I don't have a calculator in there to run
that last square root.
I'd use double braided poly on the vertical and probably Phyllistran on
the tower. However I think the 43 foot vertical is going to need radials
so I'd use steel for those. I've done that with a 40 tower and 33 foot
vertical and it worked just fine. I only used 4 radials but was pleased
with the results. Course that was back in the late 60's until about 1980.
73
Roger (K8RI)
Hans  N2JFS
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