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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] NEW Tail Twister Rotator
From: K8RI <>
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 04:31:34 -0400
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On 11/3/2012 3:37 AM, Jim Thomson wrote:
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 14:41:07 -0400
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Subject: [Amps] NEW Tail Twister Rotator

If interested.

NEW Tail Twister Rotator still in original box. Includes Contains (All new in box), 
New control head, New hardware, New connectors, manual New Warranty Registration 
card. I purchased one two many units for what I needed.

Contact me direct and ask me me to pay the shipping. Save three 
ways, $200.00 plus TAX plus SHIPPING on brand new unit. This won?t last long. 
Tail Twister Rotator is Hy-Gain big rotator. Turning power 1,000 pounds.

73, Bruce, W8HW

###  BTW, the “turning power”   is NOT  1000 lbs on that rotor.   It’s  rated at 1000 INCH 
lbs of....”stall torque”.     1000 inch lbs / 12 = 83.33 FOOT lbs of   stall torque.   I find it 
amusing how these rotor makers like to bs the numbers
on these rinky dink rotors.   They will use terms like.. “start up torque..... running torque...and  
 stall torque” .    The start up current on any of those small motors is typ triple the running 
current...... hence the “start up torque”  number can be a LOT higher than the
actual running torque.   Stall torque is just that, you put enough of a load on 
it, that it actually stalls in ZERO rpm  for both the motor and 
obviously the ant itself.

###  In the bigger scheme of things,  83 ft lbs of torque is not much at all.

On a 36" pipe wrench it is slightly less than 28# (83/3), or you could hold it easily with one hand. OTOH a 24" wrench 83/24= 41#. It might catch you unaware, or unprepared, but again it can be held easily. The motor is tiny and it takes very little input from the output shaft to drive the motor armature and with the gearing that little sucker really screams as you are looking at a gear ration of nearly 2000:1. I've never checked but the armature probably turns some where between a 1000 and 1700 RPM. That's why they need that wedge brake.

With one of the double worm gear rotator it's possible to have several thousand foot in# or in the case of the PST61DHP 7,641/12 or 641 ft #. or 1377 ft lb of break/holding torque. The case might not be up to it, but that is a lot of torque.

Don't go experimenting though as you need things anchored securely and it's very easy to severely pinch things you'd prefer not to pinch.


Roger (K8RI)

The flip side is.... IF ant makers torque balanced their ants correctly, you would require very little TQ to rotate the array. I used K7NV’s software to design a TQ compensation
plate on a local fellow’s  HB  5  el 20m yagi.   Without the TQ comp plate 
installed,  it would literally destroy the tail a 2nd tail twister.     
He had taken a 204BA......and had added a 5th ele  to lengthened  the boom. 
 He had
mounted the yagi at it’s center of gravity, which then put a lot more boom out 
one side vs the other.  That alone created the gross TQ imbalance.

##  The fix is simple, either mount at the dead center of the boom and use a counterweight at the 
light end of the boom.  (K7NV’s software will also calculate the required weight.)    Or 
mount at the CG... and use the TQ comp plate.   You can also use a combo of both schemes.   The 
alternative is to use a  rotor that has WAY more TQ.   The tq comp plate scheme was tested  by  
installing the yagi on a short 30’ tower, with NO rotor..and just let it windmill.  In a 
30-40 mph wind it did not windmill...and in fact the owner could climb up the tower and  turn the 
yagi by hand.  It stayed put in whatever direction it was pointed.    The comp plate was then 
removed, and the yagi will  windmill badly.   If stacking yagi’s on one mast, alternate sides 
on the mast to account for the
offset between mast and boom.

##  IMO, for the $$  they want for the tailtwister, it really is not a big bang 
for the buck.... and ditto with the Ham-3-4-5 series with its 800 in lbs of tq. 
( 67 ft lbs).   Rating any of these rotors  in terms of ant sq footage is 

Jim   VE7RF

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