Hi Roger and Mike.
On 2/7/2013 10:44 AM, K8RI wrote:
 
 2 points with the first beingm John is correct, a 16' mast putting the 
antenna 16' above the top of the tower substantially derates the tower 
below the 18 sq ft original rating.
 
 I've yet to finalize the spacing between the HF, six and two meter 
antennas but I may well find some economy of space, allowing me to drop 
the rotator further down into the tower.  I can't make it lighter but I 
can make it stiffer by shortening it's effective length above the top of 
the tower.
 
 The other is, you already have a thrust bearing in the form of that 
sleeve.
 
 I guess that's the point I was trying to rationalize between my own two 
ears.  I received another email privately that essentially said the same 
thing.
 It wont support vertical load, but that sleeve will substantially 
reduce any lateral/side load on the rotator produced by the leverage 
of the mast. 
 
 The M2 OR2800 is rated at 1800# vertical load and it incorporates a 
Center Guide (cone) for the mast to rest on.  It's been a while since 
I've looked at the slop between the present mast that's on the tower and 
the sleeve.  If it's substantial then a thrust bearing might be of 
service, if only to cut down on the lateral movement.
 the sleeve will serve as a pivot point with 16' above it and 5' below 
it for a 16:5  ratio for lateral force on the rotator, or slightly 
less than 4:1 which is a big number.  Fortunately the sleeve limits 
the pivot ability with most of the load showing up as lateral load on 
the tower.  Thats good for the rotator, but for the tower? Not so much.
 
Yes, I've looked at the same ratio and it may change.
 
 Assuming you install an antenna of 18 sq ft which is the tower rating, 
with 18' of antenna 16' above the top of the tower that is 18' 
multiplied by a 16' arm.  So the tower is going to see much more than 
18 sq ft of load..
 
 The actual numbers from bottom to top are 9.25 sq. ft., 2.5 sq. ft., & 
2.7 sq.ft.
 
 The rotator was already designed to support a substantial vertical 
load so the bearing capable of supporting a vertical load is not 
necessary, but sure is handy if you need to work on the rotator 
without taking all the antennas down.  OTOH you can build a simple 
fixture to hold the mast in that case
 
When it's all horizontal at waist level, it's all much more manageable.
 
IE "to me" 16' sounds like a bit much.
73 and good luck
Roger (K8RI)
 
 
Thanks again and 73,
Jon Pearl - W4ABC
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