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Re: [TowerTalk] Help with calculations...

To: "Ray, W4BYG" <w4byg@att.net>, TowerTalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Help with calculations...
From: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 10:30:58 -0700
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It's not too difficult since you don't need to calculate the stress in the tower and assume it is strong enough to handle the lifting force.

1. Calculate the moment arms for the tower only. Either assume a uniform weight/ft x the length x halfway up = x ft-lbs. Or more accurately for a non uniform tower, sum the moments of each sections weight at each sections midpoint height, i.e. w1 x h1 + w2 x h2 + ... etc. = x ft-lbs. principle: Uniform weight/ft can be assumed to be point loads at their center. 2. Add the moments for the rotator + mast + antenna, using the same process. wt mast x distance from tower base to its midpoint, etc. 3. Now you know the total moment (torque) needed at the base of the tower to rotate it from the horizontal. e.g. 6000 ft-lbs 4. To calculate the lift force, the angle of the pull up rope needs to be known. Simple trig can figure it out. 5. Principle: for a hinged base, force along the length of the tower does nothing to raise it, only force perpendicular to the rope attach point. So the base lifting moment needs to be translated to the place the rope attaches. i.e 6000 ft-lbs/15ft up or a 400lbs upward force will start moving the tower upward. 6. The initial force in the lift rope is the perpendicular lift force/sine(lift rope angle to ground). i.e. a straight up lift is 400# and a lift along the tower takes infinite force. The lift rope force goes down as the tower elevates, but since the angles are changing that is a more complex calculation and not necessary for sizing things. 7. You can use the same trig to calculate the downward and horizontal forces you will apply to your roof. A safer choice is to run another rope over the rooftop and back to a fixed point, so the load on the roof is only downward. Then a turning block can bring the lift rope back to the tower location. I don't think most stick pitched roof construction can handle heavy side loads at the peak (all nails from rafters into ridge rafter and usually wimpy ties between opposing rafters). 8. The lifting rope can be as many part block/tackle as needed. I particularly like sailboat ball bearing blocks and low stretch rope for these lifts. Suitable (2000# swl) blocks are about $50 each 2/3 part and good low stretch 7/16 rope is about $1/ft.

the cautions are:

1. Is the tower strong enough to stand the point load lift force? A rule of thumb for tower crane lifts is at 2/3 the height so as the tower raises the base rests on the ground and takes some weight until the crane supports the entire weight with the tower nearly vertical (what it is designed to do). Using a sling around the tower can move the load to two legs but it can't slip. 2. Attachment of the lifting rope to the house and the rope needs to be strong enough, e.g. 20% of breaking strength is the norm max load.

I've used this approach for many mast/tower lifts using guyed fixed derricks.

Grant KZ1W  not a structural eng, YMMV, caveat emptor

On 9/17/2013 8:20 AM, Ray, W4BYG wrote:
I have a 64' aluminum 14"/18" tower with a steel hinged base.  I have
previously raised and lowered it several times with 16' ground mounted, back
guyed gin pole and HD block and tackle, pulled by my car.  This was done
successfully by intuitive estimation of the loads, plus a large safety
margin factor.

However, I am in a different qth and installation scenario (now 75 years
young) .  I would like to be able to raise the tower with beam/feedline
installed while on the ground with a tilt hinge mount, and then temporarily
anchored to my roof line (with appropriate inside bracing), for raising.  I
can calculate the tower alone loads, but I'm not sure about the added load
of the beam at the end or top.  Thus, I would like to more accurately
calculate the estimated loads on the tackle/hardware to the roof.

My question:  Is there a formula(s) in which I can enter the linear tower
weight as well as well as the beam weight at the top, then the attachment
location, to estimate or determine what the rigging loads would be at the 13
' level of the tower and the 13' height at the roof line?  This would assist
me in determining the needed attachments and bracing for the  hardware  to
the roof rafters.  I am estimating it will be about 1200 lbs or so, but I
would like to be more sure.

I was not able to find anything online that I could decipher and apply.

Any assistance will be appreciated.

Ray, W4BYG

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