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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] US Tower price increase
From: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 22:33:54 -0700
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No sure why you're trying to correct me.  I said exactly that in my post.

But doing what you say you're doing (whether in product manufacturing or services) doesn't mean you're doing what it takes to provide quality goods or services, and that's the shortfall of ISO-900/1. I can spell my name exactly the same each time and clearly document how to write each letter, but if I spell it Daave I haven't done it right. I can clearly document how to make a radio using substandard components and a crummy circuit design, and do it the same way each and every time, but that doesn't make it a quality product. You may think those are laughable examples, but there were tons of comparable examples out there when I was in the trade.

And Six Sigma isn't relegated only to manufacturing products ... it is just as applicable to services if you have the right metrics in place.

Daave   AB7E


On 1/3/2017 5:39 PM, Al Kozakiewicz wrote:
Consistency - "control" in process terms - is next to godliness in product 
quality. The idea with ISO is that you can't be consistent (including consistently making 
crap) if you don't have your processes documented and you don't consistently follow the 
procedures. ISO is to business processes what six sigma is to manufacturing processes.  
Mostly, it is a shorthand way of proving you met some minimal threshold of control to 
customers without the need for them to validate compliance with an audit. Similar to 
saying that a computer system is 21CFR11 or GAMP5 compliant, customers know what ISO 9000 
means with the advantage that with ISO you can be independently certified.  Yes, it is a 
waste of money if you sell a product where your customers don't care about the processes. 
For some industries, it's the price you pay to play at a certain level.

And the biggest waste of money in the 1990s was Y2K.  Everybody got a new ERP 
system that 95% of them didn't need.

Al
AB2ZY


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Gilbert
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 7:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] US Tower price increase


Agree.  ISO-9000/1 basically required that you identify and document the 
processes, equipment, and procedures you used in your business. It never 
required that anything you did actually make sense or result in quality 
product.  It's totally desirable, of course, that you do all of that, but 
ISO-9000/1 stopped short of any actual demonstration of appropriateness and 
without that it mostly became a marketing gimmick.

Dave   AB7E



On 1/3/2017 3:35 PM, Jim Thomson wrote:
##  Both ISO-9000  and also ISO-9001 was about the stupidest thing
that ever came out of downtown europe. Folks seem to think that ISO-9XXX  means 
quality....it doesnt.
Plenty of small business that went under cuz of ISO.   U can easily be making 
crap, and be
ISO certified.   ISO has gone by the wayside these days for the most part, good 
riddance.
    Biggest waste of millions of dollars during the 90s.

Jim   VE7RF

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