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Re: [TowerTalk] New Larger Fair-Rite #31 Toroid

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] New Larger Fair-Rite #31 Toroid
From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Reply-to: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 10:36:13 -0700
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Jim,

 On Tue,3/28/2017 9:00 AM, Jim Thomson wrote:
  Danny,  E73M, and myself looked at the new  4 inch OD torroid, and discarded 
it soon after. The ID is simply too big, being a whopping 3 inch ID,

The primary virtue of the larger core is that it makes it possible to wind more turns of larger cable.

so even though its twice the length of the smaller  2.4 inch OD x 1.4 inch ID, 
it buys you nothing when you measure both of the torroids, with 1-7 turns of  
393 or 213 .

Study the Fair-Rite data a bit more carefully. Yes, the two plots look quite similar, but it's a log-log plot. Five turns on the larger core resonates at 20 MHz, but at 25 MHz on the smaller one, and the resonant peak is greater in amplitude in the larger core. This is the result of the core being longer. And also remember that resonance changes as the square root of inductance and capacitance.

    The smaller torrid is only half the length, and works 99% as good.
If you say had a requirement for  6 x 2.4 inch cores... = 3 inches long..... 
you would require 5 x 4.0 inch cores to do the same thing.....  =  5 inches 
long.

That depends on the nature and the diameter of the cable that you're winding through it. Larger coax will have greater capacitance between turns, which lowers the resonant frequency. Power cables will likely have less capacitance between turns (the capacitance in big coax is greater because of the diameter of the shield), thus a higher resonant frequency. And nothing changes the physics that for the same material and the same wire/cable passing through the core, inductance is directly proportional to the length of the conductor within the core, so the inductance with three 1-in long cores should be very close to the inductance with six /12-in long cores for the same number of turns with the same cable.

73, Jim K9YC

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