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Re: [TowerTalk] need advice on calculating coil Q

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] need advice on calculating coil Q
From: Bill Cotter <n4lg@qx.net>
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2018 09:59:06 -0500
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HP has some good reading for thinking about and measuring Q for circuit elements.

www.hparchive.com/Boonton/BRC-The-Notebook-04.pdf

www.hparchive.com/Boonton/Boonton-Manual-260A.pdf

www.hparchive.com/Boonton/BRC-The-Notebook-13.pdf

The Q-meter (ie: Boonton 160, 260, TS-617, Heathkit QM-1) is a seldom used, but very useful instrument to the ham's workshop. They are plentiful and usually inexpensive.

http://www.prc68.com/I/Qmeters.html

73 Bill N4LG



At 02:12 PM 3/1/2018, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:
No!

Since you refer to this as an "antenna coil", I
will assume it is air core.  In that case,
generally Q scales with square root of frequency.
If it has Q=25 at 100 kHz, you can estimate that it
will have Q=209 at 7 MHz.  Not as good as actually
measuring at 7 MHz, of course.

If the coil has a magnetic core, then you
can't conclude anything about 7 MHz from
100 kHz measurements.

You can alternately calculate the Q using the formulas
developed by Medhurst et al.  See the "Radiotron
Designer's Handbook" for details.  There is also
a graph in "Reference Data for Radio Engineers"
that attempts to emulate Medhurst, but it
underestimates Q by a factor of 1.27, apparently
due to a mix up about units.

Rick N6RK

On 3/1/2018 10:46 AM, John Keating wrote:
I'm attempting to characterize an antenna coil. I have a meter than can measure at 100kHz, which indicated L = 13uH and Rs = 0.322 and Q = 25. Those would indicate X(L) = 8.17 ohms at 100kHz. The value of L is consistent with
other measurements I did with an antenna analyzer.

Is it valid to use the value of L and Rs meaured at 100kHz for calculations at the operating frequency of 7 MHz? I get a nonsensically high result for
Q. Suggestions appreciated.

73, John / AI6LY
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