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Re: [TowerTalk] Worse than MFJ/Cushcraft coils

To: Michael Tope <W4EF@dellroy.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Worse than MFJ/Cushcraft coils
From: Glenn Pritchard <gpritchard7000@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 15:35:10 -0700
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Hi Mike 
I had that Wilson 40 meter Yagi in the 70’s, well 1980 to be exact, problem was 
the driven element did not compensate for the extreme taper. The tuning for the 
gamma match and yes the reflector has to be taken into account.
You had to have the antenna installed, climb the tower and adjust the variable 
capacitor at the feed point. Pain in the butt, but it did work after the 
changes and worked very well.

Glenn, VA7UO 

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> On Sep 15, 2019, at 2:52 PM, Michael Tope <W4EF@dellroy.com> wrote:
> 
> Dave,
> 
> Using aluminum wire is not necessarily bad trade for antenna loading coils. 
> Its lighter, so you can make the wire diameter larger for the same weight to 
> compensate for the lower conductivity. AFAIK, Cushcraft uses aluminum wire in 
> all their traps. Another interesting example is the KLM linear loaded Yagis. 
> The linear loading stubs that provide the inductive reactance needed to 
> shorten the elements are made from aluminum. Electrically, the old KLM 40 
> meter 4 element Yagi is good performer.
> 
> The Create 3 element 40 meter antenna you mention may be a poor performer 
> because the designer didn't account for the extra losses of the aluminum wire 
> when doing the design. If there is a lot of loading required (elements are 
> very short physically) and the wire diameter is too small, then I^2*R losses 
> in the inductors will be excessive even with copper (and all the worse with 
> aluminum). However, that Create antenna may not play well for other reasons 
> (there is more than one way to screw-up a Yagi). Wilson built a 3 element 
> full sized 40 meter Yagi back in the '70s that didn't perform very well if 
> you used the out-of-the-box dimensions. This is because the design dimensions 
> didn't compensate for the steep element taper. If the element lengths were 
> adjusted to take that into account, I understand the antenna worked very well.
> 
> 73, Mike W4EF.............
> 
>> On 9/15/2019 9:34 AM, Dave Thompson wrote:
>> Gang,
>> 
>> I had a 3 el Create 40 meter beam on a 36 foot boom sold by a California 
>> firm but the beam was made in Japan.  The coils were wound with aluminum 
>> wire.  The beam sat on top of the ower until I decided my lower wire antenna 
>> worked as well.  I bought the 2 el Cushcraft 40 and never looked back.  
>> Several locals bought Create Tri-Baners and they seemed to work well. I 
>> asked one KB4J and he never looked into the coils and he sold the beam when 
>> he moved to South GA at retirement.
>> 
>> Stay away from the original Create beams made in Japan.
>> 
>> 73 Dave  K4JRB
>> 
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