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Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical question

To: "towertalk@contesting.com" <towertalk@contesting.com>, Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa@nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical question
From: Kirk Kleinschmidt via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Kirk Kleinschmidt <sohosources@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 20:39:14 +0000 (UTC)
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Don't forget, Mike: Your VE9 call sign adds 10-20 dB to any antenna!  :)
I once lived in North Dakota, experiencing the same boost in performance. then 
I moved to Minnesota -- 100 feet from North Dakota -- and I was sad.,..   :)
Regards,
--Kirk, NT0Z

My book, "Stealth Amateur Radio," is now available from www.stealthamateur.com 
and on the Amazon Kindle (soon) 

    On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 3:23:22 PM CDT, Mike Smith VE9AA 
<ve9aa@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:  
 
 Couldn't agree more Jim.  You'll note in my original post I had already
mentioned:

".This testing was before I was used to using the RBN and what it could do
for me.  Today I would definitely do proper RBN comparisons for sure. Maybe
that would open my eyes to a larger difference or maybe it would show
nothing. One is left guessing.

."

 

 

 

n 3/16/2021 7:14 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:

Most of the time through an A/B switch the verticals were close enough that

I would really be guessing which one was loudest/best and other times the

one with all the 60 on-ground radials was definitely best by a small margin.

 

The fly in the ointment with listening tests is AGC. A FAR better test is
A/B RBN testing, alternating between the two antennas for a half dozen "TEST
VE9AA" on one, QSY, then the other, pause 10 minutes, QSY, repeat at least a
dozen times, and average the results.

 

I did this recently to confirm a problem with one of my 160M antennas that
was suggested by responses (or lack thereof) to my CQs during a contest. I
plugged the reports into a spreadsheet, with the calls of the reporting
stations, averaged them for each reporting station, and sorted them by
azimuth to take directivity into account (the antennas I tested have
interactions that cause them to be directional).

 

The antenna that was underperforming HEARD a lot better than the one that
produced the loudest signal on the other end.

 

73, Jim K9YC

 

Mike, Coreen & Corey

Keswick Ridge, NB

 

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