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[TRLog] Sequence number problems

Subject: [TRLog] Sequence number problems
From: (Guy Olinger, K2AV)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:56:22 -0500
We had problems all through the CQWWCW  with serials getting out of
synch. In the end it doesn't matter, but what about the WPX...

We need a command to force the serial to a correct value on a given
computer, if the serial fix turns out to be one of those awful things.

As a matter of perspective, we only try this stuff because we have TR
in the first place, and all these features keep getting added...

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:41:45 -0800, you wrote:

>We've now used TR Log for 5 contests here at W6YX (CQP and both modes SS and
>CQWW) and have encountered sequence numbering problems in every contest.  We
>have a 486 interfaced to an IC761 set up for keying on CW and no radio
>control.  This is networked to a laptop 486 that has no radio interface at
>all (yet).  Here is our config file for the interfaced computer:
>The other computer has no PADDLE or KEYER PORT config and is set up as ID =
>B.  Both computers were booted up in DOS (I'm not sure what versions).
>The symptom that we see is that a QSO is occasionally not transmitted from
>one computer to the other.  In CW SS this occurred once in 1058 QSOs.  In
>Phone SS it occurred 3 times in 1741 QSOs, alternating between computers, so
>that the sequence numbers were resynchronized after the second transmission
>loss, but got out of sync again later.  This is a real nuisance because we
>have to remember to send a number one higher than is displayed on the
>lagging computer.  It also caused us to send the same sequence number to two
>stations before we realized it.  Our rate was slowed down by an occasional
>"Oops, sorry, you should have been number 'N+1'".
>After CW SS we assumed the problem was caused by frequent editing with
>ALT-E.  During Phone SS we didn't use ALT-E at all, instead noting all
>corrections with notes.  It still happened.  I had to merge the CQWW logs
>from the two computers for both Phone and CW because one or two contacts
>hadn't transferred to the other computer.
>Is there a configuration setting that can be changed to prevent this from
>happening?  Is there a way to ensure that all QSOs are transferred between
>computers?  I would think that for a contest where a single serial number
>has to be shared between computers this could be more easily enforced.  If
>the program can't do it automatically, then perhaps there should be a manual
>way of forcing synchronization.
>I've been busy at work lately so I haven't had a chance to go to the shack
>to test any theories about how the QSO transmission fails.  One or two of
>the failures seemed to coincide with a time when the (non-)receiving
>computer was being used for composing or posting a note.
>Other than the sequencing problem, we've only encountered a small number of
>annoying behaviors:
>1. Correction of a callsign or band using ALT-E doesn't adjust the
>multiplier status of the station.  We had worked 6V6U very early on 20M in
>CQWW CW, but our operator thought he'd worked B4BU (don't ask me why...) and
>then corrected the call.  Later in the contest I noticed that the multiplier
>list showed we hadn't worked 6W on 20, so I didn't even try duping the call
>when I heard him.  After 5 minutes in the pileup and major disruption to our
>CQing station, I finally got him only to have him say we were a dupe.
>Ensuring that a station is a new multiplier on a band is crucial for
>multi-single stations in CQWW.  In the phone contest we accidentally worked
>two stations that weren't new multipliers from our multiplier station
>because they were accidentally logged as 15M and edited to 10M later (I
>can't wait to interface the radios...)
>2. We ended up logging several dupes in the Phone SS because we used the
>CALLSIGN UPDATE ENABLE feature and edited callsigns in the exchange window.
>We didn't find out they were dupes until after hitting return and seeing '0'
>in the points column.  Is there a way of preventing the logging of such
>dupes?  I noticed that editing in the callsign window after the exchange has
>been copied also causes a dupe to be logged.
>3. When I tried interfacing our FT1000MP, it was in a slow tuning mode so it
>took about 10 seconds to move 1 kHz using the shift keys.  I held down one
>of the shift keys for about 5 seconds, tuning, and when I let go of it the
>radio continued to drift.  Finally after about 5 minutes I rebooted the
>computer to stop it.  I'm glad this didn't happen in the middle of a
>4. The one new feature that I would greatly appreciate is the ability to
>have ALT-E edits propagate to other computers on the network.  For a
>multi-single, two-radio station with one interfaced radio, both radios tend
>to be used on all bands and it is important that information like corrected
>bands/callsigns/zones get propagated to all computers to prevent rules
>violations that put the station into the multi-multi category.
>Overall, though, the program has worked great for us and we are learning and
>using more new features with each new contest.
>-Mike, N7MH

--.  .-..
73, Guy

Guy Olinger, K2AV
Apex, NC, USA

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