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Re: [WriteLog] [RTTY] MMTTY and EXTFSK at 75 baud...

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Subject: Re: [WriteLog] [RTTY] MMTTY and EXTFSK at 75 baud...
From: "Gary AL9A" <al9a@mtaonline.net>
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:47:20 -0800
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Very interesting stuff re the 75 baud setup in WL and MMTTY.  As reported 
earlier my setup with the MK II works at 75 baud.  That's good!  The bad is 
that I've since discovered the XYL has planned out my day next Sat. that 
will prevent me from being on the air for the BARTG 75 Sprint - bummer!

But as a result of trying the 75 baud speed I'm curious.  If I use 75 baud 
outside the BARTG 75 Sprint do other stations also have to be running 75 
baud to decode my transmission?  If I'm set at 75 baud will I be able to 
decode others at 45.45 baud?  In other words, do both stations have to be at 
the same baud rate for RTTY communication to happen?

73,
Gary AL9A


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Hill AA5AU" <aa5au@bellsouth.net>
To: <writelog@contesting.com>; <rtty@contesting.com>
Sent: June 06, 2010 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WriteLog] [RTTY] MMTTY and EXTFSK at 75 baud...


You are correct Joe.  When changing the mode in WriteLog, when using the 
MMTTY plug-in, it changes the BaudRate setting in MMTTY to
74.2 and RTTY transmission remains at 45 baud.  However, if you simply 
change it to 75 in MMTTY Setup -> Decode tab, then it starts
to work.  Closing the window as you say also works.  Same goes when going 
back to 45 baud.

Using WriteLog's RTTY decoder "Soundboard FSK" or "Soundboard AFSK" does not 
have this problem.

I've written a webpage with this information for WriteLog users.  It can be 
viewed at:

http://rttycontesting.com/75baudrtty/75baudrtty.html

73, Don AA5AU
http://www.aa5au.com
http://www.rttycontesting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:lists@subich.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 11:32 AM
To: Don Hill AA5AU; rtty@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] MMTTY and EXTFSK at 75 baud...


 > How do you set up MMTTY stand-alone for 75 baud RTTY transmission???
 > Can't seem to find it.

Set Baud Rate on the "Decode" tab in the MMTTY setup.

 > I was using the microkeyer with WriteLog's RTTY decoder (not MMTTY  > 
plug-in).

I note WriteLog is setting the baud rate to 74.2 when the user selects "75 
baud (100 WPM) Baudot"!  I don't know if it makes a
difference.

I have double checked 100 WPM (75 baud) generation with both the original MK 
and MK II with the plug-in set manually to 75 baud.
Both units decode correctly using either the MMTTY plug-in or the WriteLog 
Stereo Soundboard (AFSK) decoder as well as fldigi or
MMTTY stand alone.

I can confirm your findings that there is no way to do 75 baud FSK with a 
USB port.  The MMTTY plug-in will not call EXTFSK and
WriteLog's "software FSK" is limited to 60 WPM.  Other than a very old USB 
to serial adapter (if you can find current drivers), the
only "serial converters" that appear to support 5 bit codes at data rates 
below 110 baud are now the Edgeport product line
(http://www.digi.com/products/usb/edgeport.jsp#overview).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV

On 6/6/2010 11:30 AM, Don Hill AA5AU wrote:
> How do you set up MMTTY stand-alone for 75 baud RTTY transmission???
> Can't seem to find it.
>
> I was using the microkeyer with WriteLog's RTTY decoder (not MMTTY
> plug-in).  Need to get this stuff tested as soon as possible. Maybe it
> does work with the MMTTY plug-in, don't know how to make MMTTY
> transmit 75 baud.
>
> Thanks!
>
> 73, Don AA5AU http://www.aa5au.com http://www.rttycontesting.com
>
> -----Original Message----- From: rtty-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:rtty-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 10:26 AM To: rtty@contesting.com; DONALD A
> HILL Subject: Re: [RTTY] MMTTY and EXTFSK at 75 baud...
>
>
> Don,
>
>> After further testing, the microham microkeyer will diddle at>  75
>> baud but timing appears off to the point where it does not>
> send 75 baud intelligently.
>
> That's not the case.  Just double checked here and microKEYER,
> microKEYER II, and DigiKeyer work correctly at 75 baud with MMTTY.
>
> I have not checked them with the MMTTY plug-in specifically under
> WriteLog but will do so later today.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
> On 6/6/2010 10:51 AM, Don Hill AA5AU wrote:
>> After further testing, the microham microkeyer will diddle at 75 baud
>> but timing appears off to the point where it does not send 75 baud
>> intelligently.
>>
>> 73, Don AA5AU http://www.aa5au.com http://www.rttycontesting.com
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: writelog-bounces@contesting.com
>> [mailto:writelog-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Don Hill AA5AU
>> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 9:05 AM To: rtty@contesting.com;
>> writelog@contesting.com Subject: Re: [WriteLog] MMTTY and EXTFSK at
>> 75 baud...
>>
>> Thanks for the valuable information Bob!  WriteLog users have an
>> option available that does not use the MMTTY plug-in.
>>
>> I have confirmed that the MMTTY Plug-in for WriteLog will not work on
>> 75 Baud, this includes with or without using Software-generated FSK.
>>
>> However, you CAN use the Soundboard FSK (and Soundboard AFSK) option
>> under TU Type in Rttyrite to transmit and receive 75 baud IF you
>> DON'T normally use Software-generated FSK.  Soundboard FSK (or
>> Soundboard AFSK) is WriteLog's built-in soundboard decoder with it's
>> own
> tuning indicator.  I used this decoder for years before MMTTY came
> about and this decoder is very good.
>>
>> I tested the Soundboard FSK generator using a standard legacy COM
>> port to a homebrew transistor FSK interface and using a virtual COM
>> port with my Microham microkeyer and both appeared to transmit 75
>> baud fine.  This means that if you use a Rigblaster or any other type
>> of commercial interface to generate FSK on a standard legacy COM
> port, you can use the Soundboard FSK (or AFSK) TU option in WriteLog.
>>
>> But if you normally use Software-generated FSK with WriteLog to send
>> RTTY, you will not be able to send 75 baud.
>> Software-generated FSK was designed for 45 baud only.
>>
>> I agree with Bob in that if you plan on participating in the 75 baud
>> contests, try your alternative set up ahead of time.
>>
>> Thanks again to Bob for bring this up.  I will update
>> rttycontesting.com today with this information and maybe a tutorial
>> on how to use the Soundboard FSK (or AFSK) option with WriteLog.
>> But it's should work just fine.  Just go to the TU Type menu in
>> Rttyrite and choose "Soundboard FSK" (or AFSK if you are running
> AFSK).  I should be around today if you have any questions or
> concerns, shoot me a direct reply.
>>
>> 73, Don AA5AU http://www.aa5au.com http://www.rttycontesting.com
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: writelog-bounces@contesting.com
>> [mailto:writelog-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Robert Chudek
>> - K0RC Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 11:04 AM To:
>> N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com; cq-contest@contesting.com;
>> rtty@contesting.com; writelog@contesting.com; MMTTY@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [WriteLog] MMTTY and EXTFSK at 75 baud...
>>
>> This is a FYI message...
>>
>> Operators planning to participate in the 75 Baud contests this
>> weekend and next should be aware IF they are using the popular EXTFSK
>> driver, this driver is hard coded to transmit at 45.45 Baud.
>> Typically this driver is used to generate FSK&   PTT keying (not
>> AFSK) by RTTY
> software, MMTTY in particular.
>>
>> Dave Bernstein, AA6YQ, verified this (documented) limitation. He
>> maintains the MMTTY source code.
>>
>> How do you know whether you are using the EXTFSK driver? Bring up
>> your software configured for a RTTY contest. Look at the bottom of
>> the screen to see if there is an EXTFSK 1.05 button displayed on the
>> Windows task bar. If it is shown, you are using the driver and
> will only be able to transmit at 45.45 Baud.
>>
>> There are many other RTTY packages that will allow 75 Baud TX speeds.
>> If you were planning to participate in high speed RTTY, it would be a
>> good time to investigate other options if you are currently
> using the EXTFSK driver.
>>
>> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
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