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Re: [Yaesu] Yaesu Digest, Vol 100, Issue 6

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Subject: Re: [Yaesu] Yaesu Digest, Vol 100, Issue 6
From: K8RI <k8ri@rogerhalstead.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:20:26 -0400
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On 4/21/2011 6:15 PM, k2qmf@juno.com wrote:
> Ed,
> The CW from the current production runs of the FTdx-5000
> is very clean!  No short dit and no difference with internal or
> external keyers.  No key clicks.

I'm glad to hear they have that fixed. I use a tetrode amp and that 
overshoot would make me ...unpopular.

> The only issue some people have is that you can't hear between
> the dits at high speed QSK CW operation!

I can't hear between dits even if the receiver could.

> You still can hear between CW letters at any speed and,for me that works
> just fine and the CW signal is very clean...

To me that has always been QSK. <:-))
I used to be about 99% CW but now days with arthritis and tinnitus it's 
mostly SSB or relatively slow CW down around 20 wpm.  Something I don't 
need the computer to copy.

It appears the latest issue 5000MPs are a better contesting/DXing rig 
than the other one I'm looking at, but it's big, it's heavy, and does 
not appear to be as flexible as the other rig.  That's not a deal 
breaker though. OTOH  I would have to rebuild the hutch on top of my 
desk as the MP version will not fit. I don't really care for the band 
scope they have, but the other options of the MP (roofing filters and 
high stability) are something I want.

Actually I run SO2R with stations in the house and shop (think I may 
have said that) and what "I'd like" would be a 5000MP in the shop where 
I do most of my operating and a 9100 in the house where I need the 


Roger (K8RI)

> I had an FT-1000MP before this 5000 and the 5000 has much cleaner CW.
> If I were you i'd go for it, which I did!  I love mine and I am 99% CW.
> 73,
> Ted  K2QMF
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 16:58:32 -0400 "Ed Hughes"<kg4w@comcast.net>  writes:
>> I have 2 Mark Vs and have been thru all the "key click"
>> problems. I was thinking about a 5000, gezzz why can't Yaesu fix
>> their CW
>> bugs ?
>> Ed
>> KG4W
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Floyd Sense"<floyd@k8ac.net>
>> To:<yaesu@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 3:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Yaesu] Yaesu Digest, Vol 100, Issue 6
>>> Yes - I owned an FTDX-5000D for a very short time and now own a
>>> competitor's rig.  Feel free to email me for lots of details, but
>> here
>>> is some advice:
>>> 1. If you plan to use the 5000 for CW work, ask the dealer if he
>> can
>>> guarantee that the "short dits" problem is fixed on the unit he
>> wants to
>>> sell you.  Make sure he'll take the rig back and pay the return
>> shipping
>>> if you find that the problem is still present.  He may not be able
>> to
>>> make the guarantee.  Do not assume that the fix has been factory
>>> installed as alluded to in the ARRL review.
>>> 2. If you purchase the 5000 and plan to use if for CW, be sure to
>> look
>>> carefully at the CW waveforms in both QSK and semi-break-in modes.
>>   DO
>>> WAVEFORMS.  The monitor signal appears to be almost unrelated to
>> the
>>> real signal being transmitted.  Listen to the keyed CW signal on
>> a
>>> separate receiver while sending a string of dits.  If it has the
>> short
>>> dits problem, it will be VERY apparent.  If you don't have an
>>> oscilloscope capable of looking at the transmitted RF waveform,
>> another
>>> approach is to listen to the signal on a separate receiver and
>> feed the
>>> audio to any audio editing program via your sound card.  Then
>> look
>>> carefully at the dit and dah lengths compared to the spaces and
>> examine
>>> the waveforms in both QSK and semi-break-in modes.  Look for
>> things like
>>> overshoot at the leading edges or distortions in the leading edge
>> of the
>>> waveform.  If you see those things, you WILL have key clicks.  If
>> you
>>> see problems in the waveforms, return the rig and get a refund.
>> Or, you
>>> can wait until Yaesu has a complete fix, and pay the round-trip
>> shipping
>>> to California to have the fix installed.
>>> The SM-5000 is interesting in its shortcomings.  The speakers are
>>> excellent as everyone has reported.  The scope takes last place
>> behind
>>> every other I've seen, including that in the Orion II.  The
>> contrast and
>>> brightness is exceptionally poor, and the designer's idea of
>> "averaging"
>>> differs from every other.  Otherwise, the transceiver is a joy to
>> use
>>> and the receiver behaves as advertised.
>>> 73, K8AC
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 06:06:38 -0400
>>>> From: K8RI<k8ri@rogerhalstead.com>
>>>> Subject: [Yaesu] FTDX5000MP
>>>> To: yaesu@contesting.com
>>>> Message-ID:<4DB001AE.8020901@rogerhalstead.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>> Anyone have experience with the FTDX5000 series yet?
>>>> I'm looking for information to help me make up my mind between
>> the
>>>> FTDX5000MP and a competitors rig.
>>>> Both run about the same price. I'd like a real time band scope,
>> but they
>>>> seem sorta scarse.
>>>> I like the features of the 5000MP and think it'd work with second
>> source
>>>> software and my computer to provide a good real time band scope.
>> Remote
>>>> operation and operation on my network is desirable as well,
>> without
>>>> having to purchase extra hardware.
>>>> I run SO2R with one station in the den here in the house and one
>> out in
>>>> my shop with a 6-pack at the base of the big tower. Wiring in the
>> second
>>>> tower gets a bit more complicated. Hence another reason for the
>> desire
>>>> to operate off the network.
>>>> 73
>>>> Roger (K8RI)
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