Yes, you're probably right that SOME contesters are cheating, but all the
ones that have class (and are the top scorers too) don't cheat.
73, Jerry K0TV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Carman" <lncarman@swbell.net>
To: <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] RE : who needs it? Henry 8K
> It took many adventurers and some broken rules to achieve the status this
> nation enjoys today. Without those risk takers, who knows where we'd be.
> If
> my neighbor wants to make serious suds, let it be, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T
> HURT ANYONE. Gives me the initiative to improve my antenna farm just to
> prove I can outdo his suds with a new antenna design. By the way, I have
> an
> amp with a tube that has handles. It's parked in the corner of the garage.
> The fun of it was in the design and the building of the amp and not the
> running of excessive power. Someone told me that if I had the capability
> to
> exceed legal limit that I was already doing it and would continue to
> exceed
> that limit. HOGWASH! I just like warming the dummy load up with the big
> suds
> once in a while. If for any reason those suds are need in an emergency,
> I've
> got um'.
>
> As far as contesters go, I don't approve of cheating in any way form or
> fashion. I'm of the opinion that not all contesters are on the up and up
> and
> have heard stories supporting my claim.
> Regards,
> Larry N5BIP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amps-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of R L Measures
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:40 AM
> To: W0UN -- John Brosnahan
> Cc: amps@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [Amps] RE : who needs it? Henry 8K
>
>
> On May 24, 2006, at 6:08 AM, W0UN -- John Brosnahan wrote:
>
>> At 06:03 AM 5/24/2006, R L Measures wrote:
>>
>>> On May 23, 2006, at 12:38 PM, W0UN -- John Brosnahan wrote:
>>>
>>>> At 11:14 AM 5/23/2006, R L Measures wrote:
>>>>> Doug -- When I was occasionally running the Plywood Box 20db
>>>>> amplifier on 40m, and I was answering questions about it over the
>>>>> air, the FCC received a number of letters about me from
>>>>> complainants. Thanks to an FCC employee who happened to be a
>>>>> Ham who
>>>>> guest operated at multi-multi contest stations, I learned that the
>>>>> majority of these letters came from owners of contest stations
>>>>> whose
>>>>> amplifiers used tubes that had handles.
>>>>> - cheerz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rich--
>>>>
>>>> This sounds like a cheap shot to me.
>>>
>>> It happened, John.
>>
>> Rich--
>>
>> I am not saying it didn't happen. What I AM saying is that your
>> comment makes it sound like contesters running tubes with handles
>> is rampant among the contest fraternity.
>
> Not rampant, extant. Newington is not unaware of this.
>
>> And what I am saying is
>> that I have a pretty large, statistically-relevant sample, that
>> contains
>> NO contesters running tubes with handles. And in fact all of the
>> BIG stations that I know are extremely diligent about running LEGAL
>> power. To do otherwise would be to totally devalue the effort made
>> to be competitive. It is my contention that winners win because
>> they are better operators -- you make it sound like winners cheat.
>
> Some have a remote-controlled big one put of sight in the garage and
> some don't. Some rubber-clock and some don't.
>
>> I can't say that no contester has ever cheated -- I don't KNOW that.
>> What I do know is that I have seen many stations and they are all
>> LEGAL.
>
> Surely. And most holy men aren't attracted to the South end of altar-
> boys heading North.
>
>>
>>>> I'm aware of (KC1XX, K1RX, K1TTT, W1KM, VY2ZM, W3LPL, K3LR, etc.)
>>>> run
>>>> strictly legal.
>>>
>>> ... and they never, ever drive faster than 65.00 mph on the
>>> Interstates.
>>
>> This is a fallacious argument.
>
> Is it not fallacious to assert that all, or nearly all contesters are
> noble men without sin?
>
>> Apples and oranges.
>
> Granted. Speeding causes death, running serious suds seldom does.
>
>> CONTESTERS (as
>> opposed to those who might operate an occasional contest) are not in
>> it for the money (!) they are in it for the personal satisfaction and
>> recognition.
>
> Bingo. Satisfaction from recognition and attention, one of the
> prime motivators for humanoids. Drive a thirsty 400hp luxury SUV and
> you buy attention and recognition from most folks. The History
> Channel recently had a segment on John Leonard Orr, the Glendale Fire
> Department's arson investigator who got satisfaction from setting
> fires using one cigarette, 3-matches, and a rubber-band. The
> motive: attention and recognition, the things he never got from his
> parents when he was a child. Orr killed 5. including a 2-yr old boy.
>
>
>> of their skills. To cheat would be to devalue their own efforts.
>
> Some people see getting away with something as proof of their skill.
> John Orr was an example.
>>
>> And (BTW) the little road that runs past our property has no shoulders
>> and the lanes are barely wide enough for an RV trailer -- two oncoming
>> trailers tend to drop their outer wheels off the road to clear each
>> other.
>> And the speed limit is 70 MPH!
>
> damn
>
>> And what does this have to do with
>> contesting? Absolutely nothing, which is my point. Driving and
>> contesting
>> are not related.
>
> The common denominator is homo sapiens. As I see it, Forrest Gump
> ("shit happens) and Puck ("what fools these mortals be") nailed it down
> cheers, John.
>>
>> John W0UN
>>
>>
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