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Re: [Amps] Mobile high power

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Subject: Re: [Amps] Mobile high power
From: PA3DUV <pa3duv@planet.nl>
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:30:29 +0200
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Joe,

They claim:

60 Hz +- 0.16 Hz
120 VAC +-2%
2.1% THD (Total Harmonic Distortion)

All this from 1600 rpm up to 6000 rpm
At idle the efficiency is 85%
5 and 8 kW continous.
AC only and  AC/DC versions, offering 200 amps @ 14VDC and 150 amps @ 28 VD 
AND in the same time 26 amps @ 120 VAC for the 5 kW model..

They claim their 5 kW model outperforms the 7.5 kW Honda EX series 
generators

2 patents

Size OD 12.2 inch x Width 5.085 inch

However, the Electronic Control Unit is a rather large box 19 x 10 x 8 inch

Dick




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Isabella" <n3ji@yahoo.com>
To: "Amps" <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Mobile high power


> Two things...
>
> First, I run AM on 75m while mobile, so I need a little more than what is 
> drawn during a "normal" SSB transmission.  The rig draws 5 or 10A for AM 
> carrier, then the amp is probably pulling another 30A or so for the 
> carrier.  And I'm sure the rig is peaking 20A during voice peaks and the 
> amp somewhere around 80A.  This is on top of all the vehicle electronics, 
> then there's operating at night with all the lights on...
>
> Second, how is the AC frequency controlled on those things??  I have some 
> experience with generators, but I'm not an expert.  Wouldn't the frequency 
> at idle be drastically diffferent that at say, highway speeds??
>
> Joe, N3JI
>
>
> PA3DUV <pa3duv@planet.nl> wrote:
> Joe, others,
>
> Even a high power amplifier used in SSB service will consume a limited
> amount of energy due to the low duty cycle of SSB transmissions.
> Operating from a mobile cannot be compared to for example contest
> circumstances.
>
> My experience with the Henry SS750 in the mobile is that the standard
> alternator (100 amp) in the vehicle has no problem keeping up with the 
> power
> consumption of that amp. In my perception in the design of an effective
> mobile high power system the main issue for the power supply is to funish
> the current surges needed for SSB service. With one or 2 gell batteries at
> the amps terminals that can be solved. So at the end of the day I feel a
> hybrid could easily deal with the intermitted use of a high power SSB
> amplifier. I'm not so sure about the noise generated by the high power
> switchers in the hybrid.
>
> Now the advantage of an induction machine like the Aura Gen is the
> availability of 240 V AC @ 20 amps and more.
> That permits the use of tube amplifiers instead of low voltage devices.
>
> According to Aura Systems documentation they've delivered plenty of these
> units to the US military. (5 kW units)
> It's amazing that they can shoehorn an induction machine capable of 240 
> VAC
> @ 20 amps or 30 amps into a OD 309 mm x lenth 163 mm unit.
> Another amazing feature is the fact that this power is available at idle
> with a very wide powerband.
> The way they convert the fluctuating ACfrom the induction machine into a
> stable sine wave is something special. On first sight it looks an ordinary
> inverter but it actually isn't
>
> Too bad the space near the crankshaft pulley of my 2005 Toyota van with
> perpendicular mounted engine block in not sufficient to accomodate this 
> nice
> piece of equipment. Perhaps it's gettin time that we in Europe should
> convert to full size gas guzzlers like you guys in the US;-)
>
> Cheers, Dick
> PA3DUV
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Isabella"
> To: "Amps"
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 5:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Mobile high power
>
>
>> That's true -- the vehicle charges when you are decelerating, as well as
>> when the engine is running. Another heavy load like a high power amp
>> would really put a dent in the power budget!
>>
>> I've always wondered though -- does the gasoline engine have to run for
>> the AC or is it run off electric as well?? It would seem that if the
>> compressor is engine powered, hybrids wouldn't make a lot of sense in hot
>> climates. I know the 100+ degree summers here in North Texas put a big
>> load on ACs as they are now anyway.
>>
>> Joe, N3JI
>>
>>
>> HAROLD B MANDEL wrote:
>> The trouble in applying extra battery loads to hybrid vehicles
>> might be that the main battery is matched to the car drive
>> mechanism such that maximum economy and speed/weight ratios
>> would not permit huge appliances without deteriorating the system.
>>
>> There's no such thing as a free lunch, so I wonder if the charging
>> system could keep up with an extra big demand....
>>
>> Hal
>> W4HBM
>> On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:33:26 +0100 Steve Thompson
>> writes:
>>> wc6w@juno.com wrote:
>>>
>>> > If a high power mobile unit is the goal, wouldn't one of the new
>>> hybrid vehicles make a good starting point?
>>> >
>>> > Probably a nice 300V or so battery plus all the generator stuff
>>> in place.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> I think it won't be long until 36V is commonplace - won't fix the
>>> problem of alternator size for the power, but will make the wiring
>>> easier.
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