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[Amps] RMS-PEP & 2x8877

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Subject: [Amps] RMS-PEP & 2x8877
From: on4kj@skynet.be (on4kj)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:27:07 -0000
 Adding a bunch to the confusion :
Why antenna or baloon constructors say ;
Max power ( as an example )
ssb/1500 w
cw/750 w
rtty/500 w

Just rember something ( 1950 ) like first derivation and the second
derivation of a sine........
 Why two-tone is used when measuring .....?

Jos  on4kj

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Fuqua" <wlfuqu00@uky.edu>
To: <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:41 PM
Subject: [Amps] RMS-PEP & 2x8877


> When this came back the columns were messed up. I hope this is better.
>
> OK enough...
> RMS has one meaning, definition or procedure if you want to call it that.
> R take square root
> of
> M the average (mean)
> of
> S the square of a number of data points
> It may look complicated as an equation or an integral expression
(calculus)
> but it is SIMPLE!!!!
> For example...
>
> Take one cycle of a 1 volt peak sine wave and divide into at least 8
> equally spaced points starting at zero degrees.
> Calculate instantaneous voltage, voltage squared and power into 50 ohms
> load at each point.
> Do not use 360 degrees because it is the same point as 0 degrees. You may
> do this for any number
> of full cycles and you may want to do this on a spread sheet for each
> degree (ie 360 points) or what ever.
> Phase         Voltage           Voltage Squared           Power into 50
ohms
> Degrees
Watts
> 0                     0                        0
>        0
> 45                  .7071                   .5
>    .01
> 90                   1                         1
>       .02
> 135                 .7071                  .5
>    .01
> 180                  0                        0
>       0
> 225                 -.7071                 .5
>    .01
> 270                  -1                       1
>       .02
> 335                 -.7071
> .                5                                 .01
> totals                    0                    4
>       .08
>
> average of
> totals     0                   .5                                 .01
>
> Square Root of average of
> the voltage squared                   .7071
>
> The RMS value of the signal is .7071 times the peak (1 Volt)= .7071 volts
> GEE look at above bold and underlined.
> What is the power of this signal into a 50 ohm load?
> .7071 volts squared divided by 50 ohms= .01 watts Look again above at the
> average power bold.
> It is all very consistent with calculations using RMS voltage or Current
> and resistance and power.
> Now what happens when we take RMS of the Power??
>
> Phase       Voltage      Voltage Squared         Power into 50
> ohms            Power Squared
> Watts
> 0                 0                         0                            0
>                                          0
> 45               .7071                  .5                           .01
>                                      .0001
> 90                1                        1                           .02
>                                        .0004
> 135              .7071                 .5                           .01
>                                     .0001
> 180               0                       0                             0
>                                         0
> 225               -.7071               .5                            .01
>                                     .0001
> 270               -1                       1                           .02
>                                        .0004
> 335               -.7071                .5                           .01
>                                      .0001
> totals               0                     4
.08
>                                         .001
>
> average of
> totals              0                      .5
.01
>                                         .00015
>
> Square Root
> of
> average        0                     .7071
>                                   0.01225                 RMS power ?????
> OK above is your RMS power for what ever good it is....
> And it does not relate to any of the other numbers you may use such as
> voltage, current. resistance or power. But does give you 22.5% bigger
> number in this example.
> 73
> Bill wa4lav
>
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