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Re: [Amps] input/output transformer switching

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Subject: Re: [Amps] input/output transformer switching
From: kg7hf@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:21:30 +0000
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Hi Steve,

Thanks for looking over the design.  I didn't consider the impedance change of 
the relay, maybe somehow tune it out?

>I've wondered before if you could use the two halves in parallel 
>at lower frequencies, with the rf in and out from the centre tap 
>of the transformer primaries.

I think what you describe is similar to this example, which is used in the THP 
HL-2.5Kfx
http://www.arrl.org/qex/2006/09/qx9ohsawa.pdf

>Another whacky idea I wondered about was making the transformers 
>using E/I cores chosen to give lf performance and then have a 
>mechanical arrangement to remove some or all of the 'I' pieces as 
>needed as the frequency goes up.

I'm currently using the semi-rigid coax transformers with the type 61 core 
material.   According to the app note, using type 43 material would pretty much 
get me to where I need to be, but unfortunately, I have been searching the web 
for type 43 material cores for a while now and haven't found any.  Maybe moving 
away from the coax transformers to a bionocular style of type 43 would do it.  

Paul



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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:48:40 +0000
From: Steve Thompson <g8gsq@eltac.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Amps] input/output transformer switching
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> Hi everyone,
> 
> Thanks for all the replies on the LK500, everyone seemed to converge on the 
> same area to check out.  I'm in the process of replacing the parasitic 
> suppressor resistors.
> 
> While I wait for parts....
> 
> Background:   I've mostly finished up my solid state amp based on the MRF141G 
> using Motorola app note AR313.  One of my original design goals was 160 - 2 
> meter operation & 70cm, but that is another PA strip.  As it seems to be 
> turning out, it's basically impossible to make 9:1 and 1:9 input/output 
> transformers which work over that broad of a range.   The transformers I have 
> work accoring to the app note, but that doesn't give any performance on 160, 
> 80, and 40 meters.
> 
> Solution:  Remove the original matching transformers and replace them with a 
> circuit board with two input transformers and two output transformers and 
> some 
> relays to switch between them.
I doubt it would work. The impedances at the transistor side of 
the transformer are very low (few ohms) so any inductance from the 
switching will totally mess up the higher frequency operation. I 
suspect you would have stability problems too.
I've wondered before if you could use the two halves in parallel 
at lower frequencies, with the rf in and out from the centre tap 
of the transformer primaries.
Another whacky idea I wondered about was making the transformers 
using E/I cores chosen to give lf performance and then have a 
mechanical arrangement to remove some or all of the 'I' pieces as 
needed as the frequency goes up.
Steve
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