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Re: [Amps] Alternative cooling strategies for SB-220?

To: Bill W5WVO <w5wvo@cybermesa.net>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alternative cooling strategies for SB-220?
From: Roger <sub1@rogerhalstead.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:02:02 -0500
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Guess I should have signed that previous post.

73

Roger (K8RI)

Roger wrote:
> Bill W5WVO wrote:
>   
>> After reading all the suggestions (serious and otherwise), I am
>> left with only one really appropriate and practical option: Leave
>> it the way it is.
>>
>> (a) The tubes ARE graphite anode 3-500Zs, and (b) I do operate
>> mostly WSJT digital modes, full carrier 30 seconds on/off, or in
>> the case of EME, one minute on/off. So maximum cooling is
>> required. I'm not comfortable with slowing down the fan given
>> these two realities. I will just have to live with the noise.
>>
>>   
>>     
> You might want to look at 140mm computer fans.  Noise varies from a 
> whisper to sounding like a turboprop starting up. Surprisingly the 
> airflow is not proportional to the noise. The 140's are lower RPM, many 
> are 3 speed, and most move a lot of air. They are all 12VDC and much 
> quieter than the 120VAC variety.  I'm currently sitting within 3 feet of 
> 12 of the things, and although quite audible they are no more noisy than 
> our forced air furnace/air conditioner.
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010090573%201372726540&name=140mm
> These tend to run 1000 to 1500 RPM. I'm looking at one that delivers 
> 63.5CFM @ <16dBA and another that delivers 27.2 - 47.8 CFM @ 18 to 22 dBA.
>
> One multi speed the
>
>
>       Noctua NF-P14 FLX 140mm Case Fan - Retail
>       <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608017>
>       has particularly good figures at:
>
>
>     * *Air Flow:* Airflow: 64.96 CFM Airflow with L.N.A.: 49.29 CFM
>       Airflow with U.L.N.A.: 41.93 CFM
>     * *Noise Level:* Acoustical Noise: 19.6 dBA Acoustical Noise with
>       L.N.A.: 13.2 dBA Acoustical Noise with U.L.N.A.: 10.1 dBA for
>       about $30
>
> On some of them you might want to disable the LEDs <:-)), but the one 
> above is just a multi speed, many blade fan.
>   
>> Thanks for all the feedback, guys, both on and off the reflector.
>>
>> Bill W5WVO
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Bill K2OWR" <k2owr@comcast.net>
>> To: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
>> Cc: <amps@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alternative cooling strategies for SB-220?
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> :::: I'm very thankful someone finally called this discussion,
>>>     
>>>       
>> particularly
>>   
>>     
>>> relating to possibly water cooling an SB220 amplifier,
>>>     
>>>       
>> "impractical"....
>>   
>>     
>>> I can think of other words, but I'm new here, so I wouldn't want
>>>     
>>>       
>> to be
>>   
>>     
>>> obscene.
>>> BILL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
>>> To: "Rob Atkinson" <ranchorobbo@gmail.com>;
>>>     
>>>       
>> <amps@contesting.com>
>>   
>>     
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 15:03
>>> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alternative cooling strategies for SB-220?
>>>
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> The SB-220 fan draws air in from the rear and the output is
>>>>       
>>>>         
>> split by the
>>   
>>     
>>>> chassis to pass over the socket pins and the glass envelope.
>>>>       
>>>>         
>> It exhausts
>>   
>>     
>>>> thru the top and side perforations.
>>>>
>>>> Remoting a fan is impratical due to the friction loss and a
>>>>       
>>>>         
>> big blower
>>   
>>     
>>>> would
>>>> be needed.
>>>>
>>>> Nice to talk about for 3 days but not very practical.
>>>>
>>>> As I said before, add a resistor or as another said, go back
>>>>       
>>>>         
>> to the stock
>>   
>>     
>>>> fan. However graphite anode tubes need the extra air if those
>>>>       
>>>>         
>> are being
>>   
>>     
>>>> used.
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>> KM1H
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Rob Atkinson" <ranchorobbo@gmail.com>
>>>> To: <amps@contesting.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alternative cooling strategies for SB-220?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> Not sure what mode you want to operate (i.e. what duty cycle)
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> but if
>>   
>>     
>>>>> high d/c the duct trick with the blower remoted may have this
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> problem:
>>   
>>     
>>>>> the 220 fan is normally placed in the cabinet in such a way
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> that air
>>   
>>     
>>>>> is drawn in through the p.s. from what I remember of it.  If
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> you run
>>   
>>     
>>>>> duct direct to the rear hole next to the RF deck, you loose
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> that p.s.
>>   
>>     
>>>>> cooling through the v.doubler and B+ transformer.  But I have
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> no idea
>>   
>>     
>>>>> how hot the p.s. gets under normal condx or if it gets hot at
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> all.
>>   
>>     
>>>>> Another thing you can try is a tx keyed relay switch on the
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> power line
>>   
>>     
>>>>> to the fan that bypasses a resistor on tx but is n.o. so the
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> fan power
>>   
>>     
>>>>> goes through a voltage dropping resistor to slow it down so
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> it is only
>>   
>>     
>>>>> full speed and noisy when you are transmitting.   You have to
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> wire it
>>   
>>     
>>>>> so the fan is not powered in series with one side of the B+
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> primary
>>   
>>     
>>>>> (if that is the stock SB220 arrangement).   If you make a
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> long RTTY or
>>   
>>     
>>>>> SSTV tx and the tubes get real hot you will need to use a
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> timer relay
>>   
>>     
>>>>> with a set delay time so the fan speed drops around 30
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> seconds after
>>   
>>     
>>>>> you switch to rx.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just some ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>> K5UJ
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