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Re: [Amps] Zener Screen Regulators

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Subject: Re: [Amps] Zener Screen Regulators
From: Manfred Mornhinweg <manfred@ludens.cl>
Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 18:28:10 +0000
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Hi Jim,

Two minor points. The "flow" of current is a useful concept when visualizing
circuits, but in AC circuits there actually is no flow of current along a
wire.

There is!

The conduction electrons in a wire just slosh back an forth a fraction
of a micron and never go anywhere. In DC circuits, there is a flow, although
the distance traveled is very small and the speed of the charge flow is very
very slow -- tiny fractions of a mm per second

I don't see why we have to make any difference here between DC and AC. In either case, the actual overall motion of the electron "cloud" in the metal is extremely slow, and is of similar speed in both cases. Only that with AC it goes forth and back, moving only a tiny total amount, as you correctly say, while in DC it moves along, to any distance you want, as long as you give it enough time. Still there is current flow, in the form of electrons actually moving, even in AC.

Very generally I dislike making any difference at all between AC and DC, for analysis purposes. Because if you look over a time window short enough (much shorter than one cycle), AC and DC is the same, and on the other hand any DC must have gotten started at some time, and will eventually stop, and this implies an AC component in it.

> hardly the speed of light, which many people presume!

Yes, many people think that the electrons shoot at the speed of light through a wire... But that's only because they have never thought about it. As soon as they start thinking, they realize that this isn't really possible, given the amount of movable electrons in a metal, and how many electrons per second have to pass a spot to make a certain current.

I like to explain this matter by means of the old analogy with a train: There is always some little play between the train cars. When the locomotive starts going, the last car of the train starts going slightly later, maybe a few seconds, when all teh slack between teh cars has been taken up. So the impulse from the locomotive propagates along the train pretty fast, spanning the whole length of the train in just a very few seconds, even while the train as a whole, and each car of it separately, are traveling very, very slowly.

What propagates at the speed of light in a wire, or very close to it, is this impulse between electrons, not the electrons themselves. It's a simple mechanical model, that has its pitfalls too, but is very useful to explain most things that happen with electrical current.

Manfred

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