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Re: [Amps] Holding a vacuum

To: Pete N4KW <n4kwpete@centurylink.net>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Holding a vacuum
From: Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 20:06:17 +0200
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Yes, you MUST pass air through the socket to cool the seals whenever heater 
voltage is applied!

Vic k2vco/4x6gp
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> On Nov 28, 2014, at 5:43 PM, Pete N4KW <n4kwpete@centurylink.net> wrote:
> 
> Earlier this week I emailed Eimac with the question about shelf life of the 
> new 4CX1500B tubes that I have.  I also asked about the serial number on the 
> tubes and how to read it.
> I am awaiting the code for the serial number, regarding shelf life they 
> recommended that I at least apply filament voltage every six months.  If one 
> was to apply filament voltage would a blower be required or not for this tube.
> 73 Pete N4KW
> 
> 
>> On 11/27/2014 3:24 PM, Carl wrote:
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Turner" <dezrat@outlook.com>
>> To: "Amps group" <amps@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 11:08 AM
>> Subject: [Amps] Holding a vacuum
>> 
>> 
>>> I'm curious as to your experiences with tubes in long term storage.
>>> The question is, which type holds a vacuum better - glass or ceramic,
>>> or is there no difference?
>>> 
>>> My own limited experience says ceramic is better, but that is only
>>> with a few tubes.
>>> 
>>> All comments welcome.
>>> 
>>> 73, Bill W6WRT
>> 
>> "It all depends" as they say.
>> 
>> Some ceramic/metal and glass/metal are notorious leakers such as the 4CX300A 
>> and PL-172 and PL-172A. Popular ones such as the 4CX150A family, 8874 
>> family, 8877, 3CX3000A, 4CX1000A/1500B hold vacuum well but the indirect 
>> heated types such as the ones above (not the 3X3) should be run up to 24 
>> hours with just filaments to regetter from outgassing. This includes the 
>> 8072/8121/8122 and long stored Russian.
>> 
>> Eimac had a couple of  bad years in the late 80's with the 3-500Z when they 
>> moved the plant to SLC; other than that they just had outgassing as did most 
>> glass tube and need regular running with color to regetter.
>> 
>> The 3-1000Z and 4-1000A often went to air as well as did many of the larger 
>> WW2 tubes such as 450/750 TH/TL, 6C21, and larger.
>> 
>> OTOH I have a pair of 1934-35 HK-354's that still run at a KW on AM but 
>> other 20's to 30's TX tubes are almost impossible to find (mostly RCA) with 
>> seals intact; 203A, 204A, 211, 849, 851, 852, and others.
>> 
>> Ive little to no experience with Russian and non US clone Chinese tubes but 
>> have heard a lot of good things about Chinese military/broadcasting ones in 
>> particular.
>> 
>> Carl
>> KM1H
>> 
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