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Re: [Amps] Amps Digest, Vol 105, Issue 9

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Subject: Re: [Amps] Amps Digest, Vol 105, Issue 9
From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:41:31 -0400
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Aint that the truth!

Carl
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>A lot of folks on this site do not understand the "Gettering process" !
> Bringing a tube up to normal operating parameters is not gettering! I 
> suggest
> that these folks "Google" the gettering process before talking about it.
> Willy  Worth  K3VW
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> 1. Re: Alpha 76a  (Patrick Barthelow)
> 2. Re: Alpha 76a (ROBERT  HARMON)
> 3. Re: Alpha 76a (Colin Lamb)
> 4.  Ameritron AL-80B ( s-roabr@online.no )
> 5. Re: Ameritron AL-80B  (Mitch Cox)
> 6. Re: Alpha 76a (ROBERT HARMON)
> 7. Re: Alpha 76a (Alek Petkovic)
> 8. Re: Alpha 76a  (Carl)
> 9. Re: Alpha 76a  (Carl)
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> Message:  1
> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:00:23 -0700
> From: Patrick Barthelow  <apolloeme@live.com>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
> To:  <mikea@mikea.ath.cx>, <amps@contesting.com>
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> I received a  76A about 6  months ago, as a gift from a OOM who I helped a
> lot when he was active.   A 3 holer, that had been stored for some time, I
> "gettered" it, slowly,  bringing it back to life, without incident.  On 
> ALL
> amps I have run, I am  hyper aware and observant of grid current, in the
> interest of long life, and  note that Bob Wolbert has published a grid
> overcurrent trip circuit for the  Alpha, that might be wise to install. 
> While
> getting used to normal  tuning dynamics of my New/old stock Alpha, I was 
> startled
> somewhat at the grid  current dynamics.  At how quickly  the Ig goes from
> very low values  to very high values with small adjustments of input 
> power,
> and tune and load  controls, even with a good amount of loading.  Perhaps
> this is "normal"  for a 3 holer '76A but maybe it is saying something 
> about one
> or more  tubes.   Other than that Ig sensitivity, the Alpha  is   the "AC
> Cobra  427 " of amps, IMHO.  and with winter coming up, if I  operate QRO
> with it, I will not
> heed a shack heater, or a fire to cook  marshmallows.
>
> Best Regards,
> Pat Barthelow   AA6EG
>
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:31:22 -0500
>> From:  mikea@mikea.ath.cx
>> To: amps@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [Amps]  Alpha 76a
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:20:33AM -0700, ROBERT  HARMON wrote:
>> > Charles,
>> >
>> >
>> > I  agree 100%. The Alpha 76PAC is one of the best amps ever made, a 
>> > real
>>  > workhorse. Like a Timex watch, "takes a licking and keeps on ticking"
> ,
>> > with one caveat, as you indicated, watch the grid  current.
>> > I run mine hard all the time (and keep a watchful eye on  the grid
>> > current)
>> > Remember the "brick on the key"  advertisements for these amps ? My
>> > favorite is the ad used in  1981 which shows the usual heading of " Key
>> > Down, How Long ?" and  instead of the normally used brick on the key
> there
>> > is a skeleton  sitting there with his hand on the key. Now thats a good
>> > amp !  hihihi
>>
>>  Erm ... As long as he's not wearing a nametag  that reads "Ross Hull".
>>
>> -- 
>> Mike Andrews,  W5EGO
>> mikea@mikea.ath.cx
>> Tired old sysadmin
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 12 Sep  2011 13:23:52 -0700
> From: ROBERT HARMON  <k6uj@pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
> To:  amps@contesting.com
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> Pat,
> Congratulations on acquiring the  76A, she will serve you well !
> The grid overcurrent protection is a good  idea.  I am considering this 
> for
> my amp.  Normally I keep
> a  close eye on the grid current but in the heat of battle during a 
> contest
> sometimes we lose our grip, hihi.
> One thing you might consider if you  haven't already is replacing the 
> power
> supply HV filter caps.  They are  more than ready
> to be replaced if they are the originals.
>
> 73,
> Bob
> K6UJ
>
>
> On Sep 12, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Patrick  Barthelow wrote:
>
>>
>> I received a  76A about 6 months  ago, as a gift from a OOM who I helped
> a lot when he was active.  A 3  holer, that had been stored for some time, 
> I
> "gettered" it, slowly, bringing  it back to life, without incident.  On 
> ALL
> amps I have run, I am hyper  aware and observant of grid current, in the
> interest of long life, and note  that Bob Wolbert has published a grid
> overcurrent trip circuit for the Alpha,  that might be wise to install. 
> While
> getting used to normal tuning  dynamics of my New/old stock Alpha, I was
> startled somewhat at the grid  current dynamics.  At how quickly  the Ig 
> goes from
> very low values  to very high values with small adjustments of input 
> power,
> and tune and load  controls, even with a good amount of loading.  Perhaps
> this is "normal"  for a 3 holer '76A but maybe it is saying something 
> about
> one or more  tubes.   Other than that Ig sensitivity, the Alpha  is   the 
> "AC
> Cobra  427 " of amps, IMHO.  and with winter coming up, if I  operate QRO
> with it, I will no
> t
>> heed a shack heater, or a fire to  cook marshmallows.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Pat  Barthelow  AA6EG
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Mon, 12 Sep  2011 13:31:22 -0500
>>> From: mikea@mikea.ath.cx
>>> To:  amps@contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:20:33AM -0700, ROBERT HARMON  wrote:
>>>> Charles,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree 100%. The Alpha 76PAC is one of the best amps ever  made, a 
>>>> real
>>>> workhorse. Like a Timex watch, "takes a licking  and keeps on ticking" 
>>>> ,
>>>> with one caveat, as you indicated,  watch the grid current.
>>>> I run mine hard all the time (and keep  a watchful eye on the grid
>>>> current)
>>>> Remember  the "brick on the key" advertisements for these amps ? My
>>>>  favorite is the ad used in 1981 which shows the usual heading of " 
>>>> Key
>>>> Down, How Long ?" and instead of the normally used brick  on the key
> there
>>>> is a skeleton sitting there with his hand on  the key. Now thats a good
>>>> amp ! hihihi
>>>
>>> Erm ... As long as he's not wearing a nametag that reads "Ross  Hull".
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Mike Andrews,  W5EGO
>>> mikea@mikea.ath.cx
>>> Tired old sysadmin
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message:  3
> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:43:26 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: Colin Lamb  <k7fm@teleport.com>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
> To:  amps@contesting.com
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> "One thing you might  consider if you haven't already is replacing the
> power supply HV filter  caps.  They are more than ready One thing you 
> might
> consider if you  haven't already is replacing the power supply HV filter 
> caps."
>
> Two  weeks ago, I had my Alpha 76A apart and decided to check out the
> electrolytics  and bleeder resistors.  I removed each capacitor and 
> checked them
> with a  capacitance meter and and ESR meter.  I also measured the leakage
> current  under load.  The amp had not been used for years, but after 
> forming
> for a  few minutes, the leakage current dropped to almost nothing. 
> Measured
> capacitance was within a couple percent.
>
> These caps are high  quality original caps and did not need replacement.
> Although I have  found other amps that needed replacement caps, the Alphas
> have held up  well.  Worthwhile to try them before replacement.
>
> 73,   Colin  K7FM
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message:  4
> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:18:09 +0200
> From: " s-roabr@online.no "  <s-roabr@online.no>
> Subject: [Amps] Ameritron AL-80B
> To:  amps@contesting.com
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>
> Hi
>
> I have a AL-80B, all  bands is ok. But it have max 300w on 10m. Any idea
> how to find out why?
> Any  one have had same problem?
>
> sent by HTC
> LA6FJA K3RAG Stein Roar  Brobakken
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message:  5
> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:36:14 -0400
> From: "Mitch Cox"  <ww4cox@embarqmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Ameritron AL-80B
> To:  <amps@contesting.com>,     <s-roabr@online.no>
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> Have you looked at the  SWR between the radio and amp on 10 meters?
> ----- Original Message  ----- 
> From: s-roabr@online.no
> To: amps@contesting.com
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 6:18 PM
> Subject: [Amps]  Ameritron AL-80B
>
>
> Hi
>
> I have a AL-80B, all bands  is ok. But it have max 300w on 10m. Any idea
> how to find out why?
> Any one have had same problem?
>
> sent by HTC
> LA6FJA  K3RAG Stein Roar Brobakken
>
>
>
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> Message:  6
> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:20:06 -0700
> From: ROBERT HARMON  <k6uj@pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
> To:  amps@contesting.com
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> Colin,
>
> I didn't check  the caps in my 76, I didn't see any evidence of swelling 
> or
> leaking when I  visually inspected them
> but since they were original I thought it would be  prudent to replace 
> them.
> HV electrolytics have a life span of between  15-20yrs.  They quit
> producing the Alpha 76 series in 1985 so the  original
> 76 series HV filter caps are at least 26 years old.
> They probably would have lasted longer before failing but I felt it was
> good preventive maintenance.
> Replacing the cap bank is pretty easy.   RF Parts has the original 
> replaceme
> nts.
>
> Another PM item worth doing is  lubing the fan.  The 76 fan has a sleeve
> bearing and a little lube will  extend the life
> and prevent the fan from getting noisy and needing  replacement down the
> road.  (The original fans are no longer  available.)
> Remove the motor end cover and do several repeated  applications of fine
> machine oil like 3 in one oil.  The shaft bearing  is
> a porous bronze alloy and will soak up a substantial amount of  oil.  The
> motor end cover has an o-ring seal to prevent any oil from
> leaking out.
>
> Bob
> K6UJ
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 12,  2011, at 1:43 PM, Colin Lamb wrote:
>
>> "One thing you might consider  if you haven't already is replacing the
> power supply HV filter caps.   They are more than ready One thing you 
> might
> consider if you haven't already  is replacing the power supply HV filter 
> caps."
>>
>> Two weeks ago,  I had my Alpha 76A apart and decided to check out the
> electrolytics and  bleeder resistors.  I removed each capacitor and 
> checked
> them with a  capacitance meter and and ESR meter.  I also measured the 
> leakage
> current  under load.  The amp had not been used for years, but after 
> forming
> for a  few minutes, the leakage current dropped to almost nothing.
> Measured  capacitance was within a couple percent.
>>
>> These caps  are high quality original caps and did not need replacement.
> Although I  have found other amps that needed replacement caps, the Alphas
> have held up  well.  Worthwhile to try them before replacement.
>>
>>  73,  Colin  K7FM
>>  _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message:  7
> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:36:46 +0800
> From: Alek Petkovic  <vk6apk@bigpond.com>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
> To:  amps@contesting.com
> Message-ID:  <4E6E978E.6020407@bigpond.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> So, you are saying that, if you push  it really hard, then it will easily
> achieve Thailand's 200W PEP  limit?
>
> Plus headroom.  :-)  :-)
>
> 73, Alek.  VK6APK.
>
>
> On 12/09/2011 12:10 PM, Charles Harpole wrote:
>> I  have an Alpha 76PAC and IF you watch the grid, you can drive this amp
> to 3kw  out if u want.... This is one battleship amp, but too much grid,
> over half  scale is vy bad, will kill the tubes fast.Alpha always sez "No 
> ALC."
> I  agree.  ALC is for whimps.  Please, gentlemen and ladies, your  radios
> ARE THERE TO USE, not to baby and fall in love with....they are things, 
> not
> people.DRIVE IT ....DRIVE IT... GO GO GO...........  73, Charles  Harpole
> k4vud@hotmail.com
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> Message:  8
> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:57:59 -0400
> From: "Carl"  <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
> To: "ROBERT  HARMON" <k6uj@pacbell.net>,     <amps@contesting.com>
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> Mine is a 3 holer PA that had a hard former life in  a Caribbean contest
> station. It was given to me as payment for fixing  their other amps and I
> put
> it back together as new....almost.
>
> I run  at 1200-1300W maximum and keep the grid current and drive as low as
> possible to get there. Since it is the 2nd station amp it gets very light
> duty except when chasing new ones on several bands.
> The primary amp is  still a LK-500ZC Ive had since 86.
>
> While swapping to a pair of 3CX800's  is simple enough even those are not
> cheap as medical pulls and at some  finite date Eimac will kill those 
> also.
>
> Carl
> KM1H
>
>
> -----  Original Message ----- 
> From: "ROBERT HARMON"  <k6uj@pacbell.net>
> To: <amps@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday,  September 12, 2011 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha  76a
>
>
> Charles,
>
>
> I agree 100%.   The Alpha 76PAC  is one of the best amps ever made, a real
> workhorse.  Like a Timex  watch,
> "takes a licking and keeps on ticking" ,  with one caveat, as  you
> indicated,
> watch the grid current.
> I run mine hard all the time  (and keep a watchful eye on the grid 
> current)
> Remember the "brick on the  key" advertisements for these amps ?  My
> favorite
> is the ad   used in 1981
> which shows the usual heading of " Key Down, How Long ?"   and instead of
> the
> normally used brick on the
> key there is a skeleton  sitting there with his hand on the key.  Now 
> thats
> a
> good amp !   hihihi
>
> 73,
> Bob
> K6UJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alpha ?brick  on the key? durability. If you are looking for a good used
> entry level  amp, it's hard to go wrong with this old work horse. I
> personally would  like to see Alpha bring this amp back into production,
> the
> simplicity of  analog metering with basic controls is the way to go. The
> ?over use? of  LED metering electronics just adds to the cost.
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 11,  2011, at 9:10 PM, Charles Harpole wrote:
>
>>
>> I have an Alpha  76PAC and IF you watch the grid, you can drive this amp
> to
>> 3kw out if  u want.... This is one battleship amp, but too much grid,
> over
>> half  scale is vy bad, will kill the tubes fast.Alpha always sez "No
> ALC."
>>  I agree.  ALC is for whimps.  Please, gentlemen and ladies, your  radios
>> ARE THERE TO USE, not to baby and fall in love with....they  are things,
>> not people.DRIVE IT ....DRIVE IT... GO GO  GO...........  73, Charles
>> Harpole k4vud@hotmail.com
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> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:58:32 -0400
> From: "Carl"  <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
> To: "Colin  Lamb" <k7fm@teleport.com>,     <amps@contesting.com>
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> I dont trust any electrolytic that is 30 or so  years old. At $13 and
> change
> each I bought new ones from Ameritron and  also replaced the equalizers.
>
> A big problem with many 76's is the C-109  tantalum, C-108 electrolytic,
> R-116 (go to a 1W), and R-124 a 2W carbon  that drifts up in value to the
> point K-6 never  activates.
>
> Carl
> KM1H
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Colin Lamb" <k7fm@teleport.com>
> To:  <amps@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:43  PM
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
>
>
>> "One thing you might  consider if you haven't already is replacing the
>> power supply HV  filter caps.  They are more than ready One thing you
> might
>>  consider if you haven't already is replacing the power supply HV filter
>> caps."
>>
>> Two weeks ago, I had my Alpha 76A apart and  decided to check out the
>> electrolytics and bleeder resistors.  I  removed each capacitor and
> checked
>> them with a capacitance meter and  and ESR meter.  I also measured the
>> leakage current under  load.  The amp had not been used for years, but
>> after forming  for a few minutes, the leakage current dropped to almost
>>  nothing.  Measured capacitance was within a couple  percent.
>>
>> These caps are high quality original caps and did not  need replacement.
>> Although I have found other amps that needed  replacement caps, the
> Alphas
>> have held up well.  Worthwhile to  try them before replacement.
>>
>> 73,  Colin   K7FM
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