Amps
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [Amps] CB Amps or full spectrum???

To: "Tom Rauch" <w8ji@contesting.com>, <chasm@texas.net>,<amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] CB Amps or full spectrum???
From: "RAY FRIESS" <rayfrijr@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:48:02 -0600
List-post: <mailto:amps@contesting.com>
I wondering about your comment about filtering.  If you look at the tank 
circuit of these amps, you see a pi network that is usually no different than 
any other amp, except the coil is small turns wise because it is for 11 meters 
(and close to 10 meters as well).   So what kind of "filtering" are you talking 
about?
If the pi network is not different than, say, a 30L-1 or an SB 200 or any other 
amp with a pi network, why would harmonics be any more of a problem than with 
other amps?
Ray  wa7itz
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Rauch<mailto:w8ji@contesting.com> 
  To: chasm@texas.net<mailto:chasm@texas.net> ; 
amps@contesting.com<mailto:amps@contesting.com> 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [Amps] CB Amps or full spectrum???



  There are at least four major problems with the amps, not 
  two.

  1.) Filtering. They need filters to reduce harmonics.

  2.) Power output. These amps are all really ratty at rated 
  power, and it has nothing to do with bias. ANY transistor, 
  especially one running at 12 volts, can't be pushed anywhere 
  near the saturated power or the IM goes to heck. A typical 
  rule of thumb is if the amp starts to limit power at 100 
  watts, the useful peak output for reasonable IMD will about 
  50-75 watts.

  This is why the FT1000MP's and TS440's and such we use will 
  run 150 watts or more output if someone gets inside and 
  screws up the power limiting controls. Even if left alone at 
  100watts, they are marginal for IM products. Bump them up 
  another 20-50% and they go to heck fast. It's all part of 
  the CB mentality. While a tube amp, in particular a cathode 
  driven triode, can be driven to near the point of power 
  limiting without objectionable IM products a bipolar 
  transistor cannot.

  You might get away with a somewhat trashy 400 watt amp on a 
  small inefficient mobile antenna, but not when it is 1500 
  watts out and especially not on a big antenna!!! So if the 
  amp runs 1000 watts carrier before it starts to get into 
  heavy gain compression it's probably good for 500 - 700 
  watts, depending on how clean you want it.

  This has NOTHING to do with bias, although the bias voltage 
  stability under full drive can affect the IM a little bit.

  3.) Idling or low drive bias. CB amps don't usually have 
  any. Replacing it or installing it for SSB service requires 
  a regulated bias source that has very low source impedance. 
  The idle bias sets the cross-over or low level distortion 
  products. They are still harmful, but not as much as the 
  full drive saturation above causes.

  4.) Transformers. CB amps often have only transformers good 
  at upper HF.

  5.) Feedback. Many CB amps don't have negative feedback that 
  reduces distortion and stabilizes the amp.


  73 Tom


_______________________________________________
Amps mailing list
Amps@contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>