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Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 91b problem
From: Rodrigo <ct1bxt@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 19:24:05 +0000
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Hi,


I solve a problem on ACOM 1500 witch had a leek between hi voltage and filament that blow fuses as soon as I connect the ground to chassis .

The solution was a new transformer, 600 euro !!!

This new amplifiers are so less space that is almost impossible to put one more transformer inside.



Best 73

Rodrigo

ct1bxt


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    1. Re: Alpha 91b problem (Terry Baxter)
    2. Re: Alpha 91b problem (gudguyham@aol.com)
    3. Re: Alpha 91b problem (bmm57)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 17:54:36 +0000
From: "Terry Baxter" <w6cbureau@san.rr.com>
To: "'K9FD'" <merv.k9fd@gmail.com>,     "'amps@contesting.com'"
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Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 91b problem
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Another much cheaper alternative is to just use a separate bias or
screen supply depending on which one has failed. However since my
transformer has a 4.6k ohm short from the 105 V winding to the HV
winding what would be the results of this short? Would floating the
bad bias winding have an effect on the HV winding? Would the HV
winding be compromised with this short? Someone out there would have
the answer to that.

Terry/N6CW

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Sent: Sunday November 20 2022 11:34:19AM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 91b problem

  I have a 91B that has the exact same symptoms, and it appears its the
  transformer.
  So you can add another to the list. Also have a 99 and it has just
  went south,
  hoping its a shorted tube and not the tranny on that one.
  I would sure be in the market for a transformer if any one has one.
Not
  sure I will
  spend 1000 for a new one to keep the 91 on the air.
  73 Merv K9FD
  > I have a defective Alpha 91 transformer in my junk pile. WD8CCC?s
amp started blowing primary fuses probably 8 to 10 years ago now. The
problem was an internal winding to winding short. The transformer
would make full AC voltage on the HV secondary, until the HV rectifier
board was connected. I forget now, it has been so long ago, which
winding was shorted internally to the HV winding.
  >
  > I had Ben order one from Alpha. They were kind of condescending
about it; they did not believe it could be the problem. Finally they
sold him one (they had a used one), while stressing they would accept
a return when it didn?t fix the problem. I had the amp running
already using an external HV winding. Apparently at the time it was
not a commonly known issue. It was a new problem to me, but I only
occasionally repair amps for friends so don?t see as many cases as
folks who do this all the time.
  >
  > Sorry to hear 91B transformer failures are becoming more common.
Ben?s amp is still going strong.
  >
  > 73 Charlie N8RR
  >
  >
  >
  > Sent from Mail [1] for Windows
  >
  > From: Alek Petkovic
  > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 1:59 AM
  > To: amps@contesting.com
  > Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 91b problem
  >
  > Yes. I have a shot transformer from a 91B here. Similar problems to
yours.
  >
  > The owner bit the bullet several years ago and bought the Hammond
  > replacement transformer and the hv/screen supply board. The amp has
been
  > sold to another friend and it is in daily use. In other words, well
  > worth the cost.
  >
  > 73, Alek, VK6APK
  >
  > On 20/11/2022 8:38 am, Terry Baxter wrote:
  >>
  >> All,
  >>
  >> Recently I wrote about a problem I had with my Alpha 91b. It
popped
  >> the rear panel fuse F3 (2 amp). The problem turned out to be a bad
  >> power transformer. In my case the secondary winding for the 105V
power
  >> across pins 1&2 on connector J2. This should read approx 3 ohms.
My
  >> transformer read 10K ohms. In addition it also read 4.5K ohms to
the
  >> HV secondary winding pins 1&2 on J1. A good transformer should
read 3
  >> ohms across pins 1&2 on J2. It should read 10 ohms across pins 4&5
on
  >> J2 and less than 1 ohm across pins 6&7 and 7&8 on J2. I measured
500
  >> ohms across the high voltage secondary. Do this quickly as it can
get
  >> interesting if you leave the ohmmeter on the primary. There should
be
  >> a wide open reading between any pin on J2 to J1. There should be
no
  >> resistance between any pin on J1 or J2 to the transformer body.
All
  >> resistance readings are with all primary and secondary connections
  >> removed from the Power Supply board (in other words all connectors
  >> related to the power transformer). This quick check should confirm
  >> whether your transformer is good or bad.
  >>
  >> I had several responses asking for my findings on this issue. From
  >> what I learned a lot of the transformers in the 91b are failing. A
new
  >> transformer from Hammond is currently selling for $1000 plus tax
and
  >> shipping. I was fortunate to find a replacement transformer at a
very
  >> affordable price.
  >>
  >> Sorry for the length of this note. I hope it will help answer any
  >> questions on this failure.
  >>
  >> Terry/N6CW
  >>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 18:26:40 +0000 (UTC)
From: "gudguyham@aol.com" <gudguyham@aol.com>
To: K9FD <merv.k9fd@gmail.com>,  <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 91b problem
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I thought I heard that Acom might have replacement transformers for the 91b/99 
amps. After all Acom built them. ?It?s very possible that the new Acom 2000a 
transformer can be retrofitted into the 91b or they might even have direct 
replacements. ?It?s worth an email to Val. ?The 200a is basically an updated 
91b it uses the same tubes so all the voltages are there in that transformer. 
?I?m pretty sure it?s $1000 but less. ?Worth a look see.


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On Sunday, November 20, 2022, 11:34 AM, K9FD <merv.k9fd@gmail.com> wrote:

I have a 91B that has the exact same symptoms,? and it appears its the
transformer.
So you can add another to the list.?? Also have a 99 and it has just
went south,
hoping its a shorted tube and not the tranny on that one.
I would sure be in the market for a transformer if any one has one.? Not
sure I will
spend 1000 for a new one to keep the 91 on the air.
73 Merv K9FD
I have a defective Alpha 91 transformer in my junk pile.? WD8CCC?s amp started 
blowing primary fuses probably 8 to 10 years ago now.? The problem was an 
internal winding to winding short.? The transformer would make full AC voltage 
on the HV secondary, until the HV rectifier board was connected.? I forget now, 
it has been so long ago, which winding was shorted internally to the HV winding.

I had Ben order one from Alpha.? They were kind of condescending about it; they 
did not believe it could be the problem.? Finally they sold him one (they had a 
used one), while stressing they would accept a return when it didn?t fix the 
problem.? I had the amp running already using an external HV winding.? 
Apparently at the time it was not a commonly known issue.? It was a new problem 
to me, but I only occasionally repair amps for friends so don?t see as many 
cases as folks who do this all the time.

Sorry to hear 91B transformer failures are becoming more common.? Ben?s amp is 
still going strong.

73 Charlie N8RR



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From: Alek Petkovic<mailto:vk6apk@bigpond.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 1:59 AM
To: amps@contesting.com<mailto:amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 91b problem

Yes. I have a shot transformer from a 91B here. Similar problems to yours.

The owner bit the bullet several years ago and bought the Hammond
replacement transformer and the hv/screen supply board. The amp has been
sold to another friend and it is in daily use. In other words, well
worth the cost.

73, Alek, VK6APK

On 20/11/2022 8:38 am, Terry Baxter wrote:
? ? ? ? All,

? ? ? ? Recently I wrote about a problem I had with my Alpha 91b. It popped
the rear panel fuse F3 (2 amp). The problem turned out to be a bad
power transformer. In my case the secondary winding for the 105V power
across pins 1&2 on connector J2. This should read approx 3 ohms. My
transformer read 10K ohms. In addition it also read 4.5K ohms to the
HV secondary winding pins 1&2 on J1. A good transformer should read 3
ohms across pins 1&2 on J2. It should read 10 ohms across pins 4&5 on
J2 and less than 1 ohm across pins 6&7 and 7&8 on J2. I measured 500
ohms across the high voltage secondary. Do this quickly as it can get
interesting if you leave the ohmmeter on the primary. There should be
a wide open reading between any pin on J2 to J1. There should be no
resistance between any pin on J1 or J2 to the transformer body. All
resistance readings are with all primary and secondary connections
removed from the Power Supply board (in other words all connectors
related to the power transformer). This quick check should confirm
whether your transformer is good or bad.

? ? ? ? I had several responses asking for my findings on this issue. From
what I learned a lot of the transformers in the 91b are failing. A new
transformer from Hammond is currently selling for $1000 plus tax and
shipping. I was fortunate to find a replacement transformer at a very
affordable price.

? ? ? ? Sorry for the length of this note. I hope it will help answer any
questions on this failure.

? ? ? ? Terry/N6CW

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Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 12:51:04 -0600
From: bmm57 <bmm57@sbcglobal.net>
To: "gudguyham@aol.com" <gudguyham@aol.com>, K9FD
        <merv.k9fd@gmail.com>,    amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 91b problem
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Acom does not build a transformer replacement for alpha 91b or 99, Hamilton is the 
only one who has a replacement right nowFor $1000.00 plus shipping.?I have replaced 
over 20 Transformers in these 2 models in the last 6 years here at Array Solutions 
repair.Billy MacAK5DXSent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution 
capable smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: gudguyham--- via Amps <amps@contesting.com> Date: 
11/20/22  12:26 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: K9FD <merv.k9fd@gmail.com>, amps@contesting.com 
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 91b problem I thought I heard that Acom might have replacement 
transformers for the 91b/99 amps. After all Acom built them. ?It?s very possible that the new 
Acom 2000a transformer can be retrofitted into the 91b or they might even have direct 
replacements. ?It?s worth an email to Val. ?The 200a is basically an updated 91b it uses the same 
tubes so all the voltages are there in that transformer. ?I?m pretty sure it?s $1000 but less. 
?Worth a look see.Sent from the all new AOL app for iOSOn Sunday, November 20, 2022, 11:34 AM, 
K9FD <merv.k9fd@gmail.com> wrote:I have a 91B that has the exact same symptoms,? and it 
appears its the transformer.So you can add another to the list.?? Also have a 99 and it has just 
went south,hoping its a shorted tube and not the tranny on that one.I would sure b
  e in the market for a transformer if any one has one.? Not sure I willspend 1000 for a 
new one to keep the 91 on the air.73 Merv K9FD> I have a defective Alpha 91 
transformer in my junk pile.? WD8CCC?s amp started blowing primary fuses probably 8 to 
10 years ago now.? The problem was an internal winding to winding short.? The 
transformer would make full AC voltage on the HV secondary, until the HV rectifier board 
was connected.? I forget now, it has been so long ago, which winding was shorted 
internally to the HV winding.>> I had Ben order one from Alpha.? They were kind of 
condescending about it; they did not believe it could be the problem.? Finally they sold 
him one (they had a used one), while stressing they would accept a return when it didn?t 
fix the problem.? I had the amp running already using an external HV winding.? 
Apparently at the time it was not a commonly known issue.? It was a new problem to me, 
but I only occasionally repair amps for friends so don?t see as many cas
  es as folks who do this all the time.>> Sorry to hear 91B transformer failures are becoming more common.? Ben?s amp is still going strong.>> 73 Charlie N8RR>>>> Sent from 
Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows>> From: Alek Petkovic<mailto:vk6apk@bigpond.com>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 1:59 AM> To: 
amps@contesting.com<mailto:amps@contesting.com>> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 91b problem>> Yes. I have a shot transformer from a 91B here. Similar problems to yours.>> The owner bit the 
bullet several years ago and bought the Hammond> replacement transformer and the hv/screen supply board. The amp has been> sold to another friend and it is in daily use. In other words, well> 
worth the cost.>> 73, Alek, VK6APK>> On 20/11/2022 8:38 am, Terry Baxter wrote:>>>>? ? ? ? All,>>>>? ? ? ? Recently I wrote about a problem I had with my Alpha 91b. It 
popped>> the rear panel fuse F3 (2 amp). The problem turned out to be a bad>> power transformer. In my case the secondary
  winding for the 105V power>> across pins 1&2 on connector J2. This should read approx 3 ohms. My>> transformer read 10K ohms. In addition it also read 4.5K ohms to the>> HV 
secondary winding pins 1&2 on J1. A good transformer should read 3>> ohms across pins 1&2 on J2. It should read 10 ohms across pins 4&5 on>> J2 and less than 1 ohm across pins 
6&7 and 7&8 on J2. I measured 500>> ohms across the high voltage secondary. Do this quickly as it can get>> interesting if you leave the ohmmeter on the primary. There should 
be>> a wide open reading between any pin on J2 to J1. There should be no>> resistance between any pin on J1 or J2 to the transformer body. All>> resistance readings are with all 
primary and secondary connections>> removed from the Power Supply board (in other words all connectors>> related to the power transformer). This quick check should confirm>> whether 
your transformer is good or bad.>>>>? ? ? ? I had several responses asking for my findings on this issue. From>>
  what I learned a lot of the transformers in the 91b are failing. A new>> transformer from Hammond is currently selling for $1000 plus tax and>> shipping. I was 
fortunate to find a replacement transformer at a very>> affordable price.>>>>? ? ? ? Sorry for the length of this note. I hope it will help answer any>> 
questions on this failure.>>>>? ? ? ? Terry/N6CW>>>> _______________________________________________>> Amps mailing list>> 
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