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Re: [Amps] 10 kw CCS on 6M

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Subject: Re: [Amps] 10 kw CCS on 6M
From: John Lyles <jtml@losalamos.com>
Reply-to: jtml@losalamos.com
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2022 12:49:18 -0600
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I saw you mention K5PRO, Don, so I had to come out of my shell. I have watched the 10 kW homebrew videos too. Admirable work, makes me long for time to do modern tube-based amplifier construction at home, but I prefer less spend the time with a camera. Even could fix some of my trove of half-way good amplifiers. I don't use them on the air much, just love to play with them. I still have my job, and switched to part time this week so I could spend a little more time at home. At the workplace, the particle factory, most of the PA's are getting >45K hours on the filament running 24/7 for 2/3 of each year. I am happy to have been part of their development. All the proper guidelines, cooling, running within ratings (not at ratings), and plenty of protective circuitry has paid off. Right now, we are looking at various improvements and I'm working with a young team of EE's willing to ask questions and dig in, about these ancient things, tubes.  We have to keep the technology going, and when its hundreds of kW or megawatts, the alternative solid state must be carefully examined.

Here is an interesting recent paper from a conference last month, about the advantages of tubes in the drivers for the Berkley 88 inch cyclotron. Some things we never think about in ham radio are here. This is a short term link that will be active about a week:

https://we.tl/t-4nZK77BSMm

One more paper, I wrote last month for the same conference of particle accelerators in US:

https://we.tl/t-mogwvszTZh

My heart is still in thermionic devices although I do use LDMOS, DMOS, GaN, and other semiconductors for smaller PA's at work (< 25 kW), but I haven't designed a transistor amplifier in decades myself. So many decent designs seem to be around now, and its good to see the amateur community has engaged this techology. For those who still like using tubes, like tuning the grid and plate, amps@contesting.com is still the place to keep up, if you like this format as opposed to Facebook.

Speaking of tubes, I prepared a lecture at work in July, that summarizes a lot of information about tubes, specifically focused on a historical overview, then high power tubes used in pulsed power and RF circuits at work. I used a lot of part numbers that are in service there, so there are some references mentioned, just ignore those. This has been cleared for public release.

https://we.tl/t-Blv0xVNOnQ

73

John K5PRO


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Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2022 01:41:40 +0000 (UTC)
From: Donald Fox <taurusshoguy@yahoo.com>
To: amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] 10 kw CCS on 6M. Part-3
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As we like to say on the car forums I frequent, I'll be "that guy."
I think the project is great, and I'm glad it's being shared here. Last time I 
looked, this IS an amplifier reflector, correct?

This hoity, toity nonsense of hams sticking their nose up in the air when 
someone asks a question, or heaven forbid, shares something like this project, 
is getting really old. Reminds me of Eeyore on Winnie the Pooh. Just like the 
car forums I frequent, I listen a lot, and add to the conversation when I feel 
I can lend help.
It's been my understanding for the 41+ years I have enjoyed this hobby, that 
part of ham radio, is the encouragement to design, and/or build some of your 
equipment. Seems to me like that is what this fellow is doing.
Nobody knows everything, although there are some here who think they do. I know 
I don't, and have zero trouble putting it out there.

As mentioned already, just because you have a fast car, does not mean you drive 
it fast on a public roadway. With 25+ years of law enforcement experience here, 
I am not aware of any state, that limits how FAST one gets to the speed limit, 
as ,long as they are not dangerous or out of control doing it.

There is a video on Youtube, where a west coast 11 meter fellow designed and 
built his own 50kw amp. Indeed, putting it on the air is illegal as all get 
out, BUT if you a know anything about high power, he's no dummy. I would 
welcome someone with that level of high power experience (John K5PRO) comes to 
mind, in a heartbeat.

It is said, that money does not guarantee brains. Neither does a ham license. 
All one has to do is dial up 7.200 or similar. Garbage like that makes ALL of 
us look bad to a potential ham.

Rant mode off!

Don N8ECH

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