Mark
Yep that is it. Thanks for the info. I think we can put this one to bed.
73
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of MARK
BAILEY
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 9:46 AM
To: cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC looking for a new team leader
Something like this?
http://wrtc2018.de/index.php/en/competition/selection-policies-2
73,
Mark, KD4D
> On June 11, 2018 at 11:59 AM Stephen Bloom <sbloom@acsalaska.net> wrote:
>
>
> Dave:
>
> Thanks for the info. Now things make more sense. What I would
> suggest to the Committee going forward, would be some sort of "succession
> system" in The rules to some reasonable depth -meaning it doesn't have to
> like the successon protocol to the British Monarch :) *If* there is some x
> period of warning time. Last minute is just going to be a scramble no matter
> what, unless they start having alternate teams on standby.
>
> What is disturbing is the ongoing mistrust. Every single human being
> alive, bar none has "confirmation bias" and a tendency to favor friends etc.,
> but everything I've seen from the WRTC folks indicates to me that they are
> incredibly aware of trying to get this right. If/until I see otherwise, they
> should get the benefit of any doubt.
>
> 73
> Steve KL7SB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf
> Of David Siddall
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 7:20 PM
> To: cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC looking for a new team leader
>
> Three points that one should consider on this topic.
>
> 1. With regard to the selection of an operator from Africa : there were only
> 3 competitors from Africa above 10,000 points in the qualifying period, and
> many from other areas above 10,000 did not make the cut.
> Indeed, there is no other op from Africa with more than even 4,500
> points
> -- the drop-off was very sharp after no.3. Unfortunately, whether justified
> or not, one of the top three was DQ in the CQWW and therefore not eligible.
> Another was selected TL, but now has to cancel. No. 3 (EA8RM) already is on
> a team as a TM. After that, there may be some super operators -- and I think
> that there are -- but one cannot objectively base a WRTC selection decision
> on this because none compiled a record during the qualifying period anywhere
> near close to that of hundreds of other competitors around the world who are
> not getting to compete.
>
> 2. With regard to teammates having to be from the same qualifying area :
> this is not the rule, and in fact fully 20 percent of the team leaders chose
> teammates from outside their qualifying area. Our communications cross
> boundaries, and so do friendships, respect, and operating ability.
>
> 3. With regard to the contest activity in Africa : there have been very
> significant efforts to promote ham radio and contesting in Africa, but
> obviously much more needs to be done. The WRTC selection process isn't the
> problem, sustained contest activity from Africa is the problem.
>
> 73, Dave K3ZJ
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 7:25 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN
> <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > < >
> >
> > My original query was not about why a replacement was picked. I
> > understand completely that things happen, even at almost the last
> > minute, and that the WRTC sponsors need the flexibility to make a
> > replacement.
> >
> > I was simply curious as to why it appeared that there was little to
> > no consideration of replacing the first qualifier from AF with the
> > next person in line.
> >
> > Now, I'm just curious. I am not asking for an explanation, nor do I
> > wish to imply that anyone owes me one. (Obviously Jorge may feel
> > differently about that). Nor is the WRTC committee required to
> > explain... it would be nice if they did, but they're not required.
> >
> > To my way of thinking, though, one would hope that there is when a
> > substitute is picked, one of two reasons takes place...
> > (1) The next (or next best) qualifier for the region, if any, is
> > asked, and if they can go at the last minute, accepted
> > (2) The next best overall qualifier, regardless of region, is asked, etc.
> >
> > < >
> >
> > 73, ron w3wn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On
> > Behalf Of Bob Shohet, KQ2M
> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 2:43 PM
> > To: Stephen Bloom; cq-contest@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> >
> > Medical situations often arise unexpectedly. I was a US Team Leader
> > for WRTC 2006 held in Florianopolis, Brazil and I was forced to
> > withdraw just one month before WRTC as a result of severe
> > complications of surgery, which made it impossible for me to operate
> > much less travel.
> >
> > As a group, as contesters continue to age, it is more and more
> > likely that we will see an increase in medically related reasons for
> > withdrawals.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob KQ2M
> >
> >
> > From: Stephen Bloom
> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 11:39 AM
> > To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> >
> > Hi all:
> >
> > One thing is, I imagine it is quite rare for someone to drop out
> > after qualifying. People work for years and invest considerable
> > time, money, and various other resources in order to qualify. The
> > most likely scenario is a very last minute thing. Someone gets
> > sick, or has a family emergency Or some situation in their home
> > country becomes dangerous. In this case, the replacement process in
> > the WRTC rules, (basically a ad hoc, "ok, who can do this" process)
> > is the only feasible option. The partner is already there, it
> > wouldn't be right to sideline him/her etc. (Full disclosure, I'm
> > already Planning on being in Wittenberg, and I did put in for the
> > position.) A change a month ahead of time isn't exactly the same,
> > but I'm not sure it is that much different. It would be tough to
> > get someone who wasn't already planning on being there.
> >
> > Regarding DL1CW, I know the request states that he *must* be the partner.
> > Even if that wasn't included though, I can't imagine anyone not
> > giving him the spot, it's simply the right thing to do.
> >
> > 73
> > Steve KL7SB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On
> > Behalf Of Jorge Taboada
> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 3:27 AM
> > To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> >
> > Hi To all.
> >
> >
> > Well Randy is talking about 2 differents issues, one are rules,
> > rules that under my personal view are not good in many aspects, but
> > now is not the question to talk about rules...... but I would like
> > to says something, there is a clasification, so 1st african TL
> > second TM, and the same for all others continents....... obviusly,
> > the second guy was working hard trying to be in the wrtc and he
> > cannot, this is not fair, for that's reason, 1º and 2º must be the team.
> >
> >
> > But my question is, the african TL for X reason cannot go to wrtc,
> > the team must be dissolve inmediately, new TL must has the option to
> > choice his own TM... maybe he will accept the currently TM, who
> > knows, but, anyway, new TL must have 2 options, choice a new one or accept
> > the currentlyTM.
> >
> >
> > Finally, under my personal opinion, team members must be classified,
> > from Africa,.... in other case, are not a real African team representation.
> >
> >
> > 73s
> > Jorge Taboada Pareja, EA9LZ ED9Z EF9R CN2R 5E5E P.O.BOX 530
> > 51001 CEUTA, SPAIN
> > www.giraldatop.com<http://www.giraldatop.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > De: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
> > Enviado: viernes, 8 de junio de 2018 19:21
> > Para: 'Jorge Taboada'
> > Asunto: RE: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> >
> > In other words, they who wrote the rules left themselves a loophole
> > to appoint their own buddies. In short, you're shafted.
> >
> > And then they wonder why I have no interest in this alleged
> > competition. I know a stacked deck when I see one...
> >
> > Sorry OM, you deserved better.
> >
> > 73, ron w3wn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On
> > Behalf Of Randy Thompson K5ZD
> > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 5:02 PM
> > To: 'Jorge Taboada'; 'Alex Malyava'; cq-contest@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> >
> > The Team Leader and Team Mate (TM) selection process is described at
> > http://wrtc2018.de/index.php/en/competition/selection-criteria-2
> >
> > Section 8 says "Each Team Leader may select a Teammate (TM) from
> > anywhere in the world." That is how 5H3EE could select DL1CW as a
> > teammate.
> >
> > The WRTC2018 selection policies can be found at
> > http://wrtc2018.de/index.php/en/competition/selection-policies-2
> >
> > Section 2 describes the process that will happen if a Team Leader
> > (TL) withdraws. When it is this close to the date of WRTC, the
> > option is to make a request for Wild Card teams that would be able
> > to attend the competition.
> > The wild card team has to offer the TM position to DL1CW.
> >
> > It is complicated, but this is not the first time this situation has
> > occurred for a WRTC.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Randy, K5ZD
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com> On Behalf Of
> > > Jorge Taboada
> > > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 3:56 PM
> > > To: Alex Malyava <alex.k2bb@gmail.com>; cq-contest@contesting.com
> > > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> > >
> > > Hi Again.
> > >
> > >
> > > I am sorry but I do not understand, African team must be
> > > integrated by those who classified from Africa no from Germany.
> > > Other history, if the wrtc allowed to the TL have a Team mate from
> > > anywhere..... in this case this is not a real a World Radio Team Champion.
> > >
> > > One more time, I do not understand, I am sorry.
> > >
> > >
> > > 73s
> > > Jorge Taboada Pareja, EA9LZ ED9Z EF9R CN2R 5E5E P.O.BOX 530
> > > 51001 CEUTA, SPAIN
> > > www.giraldatop.com<http://www.giraldatop.com/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > De: Alex Malyava <alex.k2bb@gmail.com>
> > > Enviado: viernes, 8 de junio de 2018 12:08
> > > Para: Jorge Taboada
> > > Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> > >
> > > ... because 5H3EE is German?
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 5:59 AM, Jorge Taboada
> > > <ea9lz@hotmail.com<mailto:ea9lz@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > >
> > > yes is corious, specially for me, I am not a very intelligent
> > > guy, so I do not understand, why for the African Team, there is a
> > > DL station as Team Mate? waiting for some help to clarifying me,
> > > this rare
> > situtation.
> > >
> > >
> > > 73s
> > > Jorge Taboada Pareja, EA9LZ ED9Z EF9R CN2R 5E5E P.O.BOX 530
> > > 51001 CEUTA, SPAIN
> > > www.giraldatop.com<http://www.giraldatop.com><http://www.giraldatop.
> > > co
> > > m/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > De: CQ-Contest
> > > <cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest-
> > > bounces@contesting.com>> en nombre de Ron Notarius W3WN
> > > <wn3vaw@verizon.net<mailto:wn3vaw@verizon.net>>
> > > Enviado: miércoles, 6 de junio de 2018 6:07
> > > Para: cq-contest@contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
> > > Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> > >
> > > Curious. Was there no one else from AF qualified or qualified
> > > enough for WRTC?
> > >
> > > One would think that if the, or one of the, 'winners' from AF for
> > > WRTC could not attend, the next person in line would get the call.
> > >
> > > 73, ron W3WN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Randy Thompson K5ZD
> > > <k5zd@charter.net<mailto:k5zd@charter.net>>
> > > To: cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com<mailto:cq-
> > > contest@contesting.com>>
> > > Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2018 7:58 am
> > > Subject: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> > >
> > > Forwarded on behalf of DL5AXX.
> > >
> > > Hello contester,
> > >
> > > as the designated team leader of 'AF' had to refuse his
> > > participation due to personal reasons we would like replace the
> > > team 'AF' by a wild card team.
> > >
> > > So we invite you to send wild card applications for the now open
> > > TL position with DL1CW as team mate.
> > > The deadline for the wild card application is Saturday, June 9.
> > > 2018 at 2359z received at
> > > qualification@wrtc2018.de<mailto:qualification@wrtc2018.de>.
> > >
> > > Please explain, why you are applying as TL.
> > >
> > > After the deadline, we will choose the new TL as soon as possible.
> > >
> > > --
> > > 73 Ulf, DL5AXX
> > > WRTC2018 qualifications
> > >
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