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Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Assisted - Is it just another Urban Myth ?

To: "'Trent Sampson'" <vk4ts@outlook.com>, <wa5rtg@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Assisted - Is it just another Urban Myth ?
From: "Ed Sawyer" <sawyered@earthlink.net>
Reply-to: sawyered@earthlink.net
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 10:27:48 -0400
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Trent.  Just enter assisted.  Whats all the fuss about?

 

Ed

 

From: Trent Sampson [mailto:vk4ts@outlook.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 10:17 AM
To: wa5rtg@gmail.com; Trent Sampson
Cc: sawyered@earthlink.net; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Assisted - Is it just another Urban Myth ?

 

Hi Stan 

 

It is a quagmire 

 

We have assumed that SOAB A is an advantage – but with even top operators like 
D4B, N5TJ and W2GD, never in the 25 years of CQWW and CQWPX has the SOAB A 
category exceeded the score of the SOAB Winner.

It appears to be simply an urban myth that has perpetuated. 

 

Let’s answer all of your hypothesis

 

 

Do you believe there is an advantage in having a list of everyone on the band 
and identification as to whether each callsign is a new multiplier or a new 
contact?  NO that data shows the myth is wrong

 

Do you believe that in general the top operators in the assisted category could 
do as well or better if they did not have the assistance?  NO that data shows 
the myth is wrong

 

Do you believe that in general the top operators in the unassisted category 
would widen the margin of victory if the two categories were combined?  NO that 
data shows the myth is wrong 

 

What possible relevance do the scores between the two cateogries have to do 
with whether they should be combined? None 

 

Why would you propose combining categories when overwhelmingly those who 
operate unassisted want to continue operating unassisted?  That is why they 
choose that category.  They have a choice and choose the one they prefer. Even 
you choose the unassisted category.    Agreed however that data shows the myth 
is wrong

 

Looking at your scores in the CQWW do you really have a dog in this fight ? 

 

My basis for the questions is I am looking at doing SOAB during the low sunspot 
years and I am wondering what all the fuss is about 

 

Regards 

 

 

Trent Sampson

VK4TS 

Po Box 275 Mooloolaba QLD 4557 

Mobile 0408497550

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Stan Stockton [mailto:wa5rtg@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 1 August 2017 11:50 PM
To: Trent Sampson
Cc: sawyered@earthlink.net; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Assisted - Is it just another Urban Myth ?

 

Trent,

 

Please clarify so everyone will understand your thinking.

 

Do you believe there is an advantage in having a list of everyone on the band 
and identification as to whether each callsign is a new multiplier or a new 
contact?  I think the answer is yes.

 

Do you believe that in general the top operators in the assisted category could 
do as well or better if they did not have the assistance?  I think the answer 
is no.

 

Do you believe that in general the top operators in the unassisted category 
would widen the margin of victory if the two categories were combined?  I think 
the answer is yes.

 

What possible relevance do the scores between the two cateogries have to do 
with whether they should be combined?

 

Why would you propose combining categories when overwhelmingly those who 
operate unassisted want to continue operating unassisted?  That is why they 
choose that category.  They have a choice and choose the one they prefer. Even 
you choose the unassisted category.    

 

The fact is that if you asked someone who won the CQ WW Contest in any given 
year the respondent will go to the SOAB results to give you the answer.  Most 
will not ask you whether you mean the assisted category or the category where 
someone used a tribander and wires or whether you are talking about low power 
on 40m with a dipole and internet assistance.  There are several who push to 
combine these categories every year and not yet have I seen a logical 
explanation as to why they want to do it.  Certainly whether the scores are 
higher or lower in one category has absolutely nothing to do with whether 
categories should be combined.  Would you feel differently if a top operator 
who could perhaps win the unassisted category ventured over to the assisted 
category and blew away the competition.  It has already been done.  

 

Everything else being equal, a single operator using the internet to identify 
every double multiplier that comes on the band will beat the guy who doesn't 
have that information every single time.  The plain and simple fact is that 
unassisted operators usually (not always) beat the ones using assistance 
because they are better operators operating from better stations.

 

73...Stan, K5GO   

 

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 7:59 AM, Trent Sampson <vk4ts@outlook.com> wrote:

Hi Ed,

You said,

"Others are simply looking at the efficiency gain of being fed spots and the 
fact that their eyes add another receptor beyond their 2 ears and that adds to 
their efficiency as well."

Please find one example in the High Scores of the CQWW or the CQWPX that 
supports your hypothesis ...

By the way I prefer SOAB unassisted - if on the rare occasion I am not in a 
multi op

Regards


Trent Sampson
VK4TS
Po Box 275 Mooloolaba QLD 4557
Mobile 0408497550







-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ed 
Sawyer
Sent: Tuesday, 1 August 2017 9:23 PM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Assisted - Is it just another Urban Myth ?

What is the motivation for Assisted Operators to even care if there is an 
unassisted class?  How is it harming you in any way that other - equally as 
important as you - people choose to contest the way we grew up and enjoyed it?  
It doesn't bother me that its "possible" for someone in the class to cheat.  It 
didn't bother me that it was "possible" for someone to cheat in Low Power class 
when I choose to compete in that class.  I know what I am doing and I know when 
something smells bad out there as well.



I choose to compete in unassisted because I love the balance.  Others are 
simply looking at the efficiency gain of being fed spots and the fact that 
their eyes add another receptor beyond their 2 ears and that adds to their 
efficiency as well.  I have no strike against those and realize, it helps.
Good for them.



Until someone can tell me how what I choose to do for my better enjoyment harms 
them, I respectfully ask for the ability to choose the class I better enjoy.



Thank you.



Ed  N1UR

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