Thanks Alan,
Until this exchange began, I wasn't aware that KG6DX was back in Guam. Last
I remember hearing was from a then-resident of Guam complaining that certain
individuals were using his old address when applying for FCC licenses, even
though the actually lived in another country and certainly not at thats
address! In fact, I didn't even know where he had been, just that he was
not there. Learn something new everyday, that's one of the things I like
about this list!
I'd like to say that KG6DX was my first Guam contact, but sad to say, he was
my fourth and (to date) last one... in 1990. Odd that I hadn't noticed that
before, didn't realize it had been that long since I worked someone there!
Bottom line, of course, and getting back to the original point, is that
regardless of what the call appears to tell you, it behooves the operators
on both ends to make sure that the correct location is logged.
73, ron wn3vaw
"What's the point in being crazy if you can't have a little fun with it?"
-- Russell Crowe portraying John Nash, "A Beautiful Mind"
----- Original Message -----
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:57:30 -0800
From: "Alan C. Zack" <k7acz@cox.net>
To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW <wn3vaw@fyi.net>
Cc: herbs@vitelcom.net
Cc: CQ Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Re: CQ-Contest Digest, Vol 11, Issue 73
Along the same lines, KG6DX was active in the CQWWDX SSB and caused
some confusion. Used to hear him in most contests years ago but this
latest one was the first I have heard him in many years personally.
He had to explain to a few people that he really was in Guam.
73
Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> I don't think anyone is seriously or otherwise suggesting that your or any
> of the other pre-1978 KV4 calls (or those recovered as Vanity calls in
> recent years) sign KP2/, NP2/, or WP2/. Likewise, I don't think anyone is
> suggesting that other remaining pre-1978 calls do so.
>
> Most contest software is or should be (I know, there's that dangerous
> presumption again) configured to properly handle calls like yours. And
most
> experienced contesters & DX'ers... yes, I know many aren't that
> experienced... are aware of the old prefixes and that quite a few are
still
> in use (I think KG6DX is no longer active from Guam, that and the old
> Johnston Island KJ6 club station are the only two that come to mind
> offhand). In fact, without doing a data search on the CD, I'd venture to
> say that the vast majority of pre-78 calls in this category that are still
> in use are USVI KV4 calls. So it is REASONABLE to assume that a KV4 2x2
> call has a high likelihood of being a USVI call. Therefore there should
be
> NO reason that you should or would even consider signing /KP2 etc., so
long
> as you are indeed operating in the USVI.
>
> In the particular case under discussion, since we KNOW that Andy is not in
> Puerto Rico, but in NYC. While FCC rules do not require him to indicate
> this, and apparantly contest rules don't either, it would still be (IMHO)
> good amateur practice for him to do so. He has indicated that he doesn't
> want to. Completely different situation.
>
> But what the heck. If someone (I'm speaking generically now) chooses to
> operate without a clear indication of his entity, and as a result makes a
> lot of contacts that are either logged wrong or end up with 0 point value,
> which ends up wasting a lot of time and/or irritating a lot of people, who
> am I to argue? Or to put it another way, you can be right from a
technical
> standpoint but wrong (or at least offbase) from a practical one. Not
worth
> wasting any more time worrying about it.
>
> And FWIW, I happen to LIKE the old calls when they reappear. Adds a
little
> flavor to things, and keeps you on your toes. But of course, I'm biased a
> little on that subject... <g>
>
> 73, ron wn3vaw
>
> "What's the point in being crazy if you can't have a little fun with it?"
> -- Russell Crowe portraying John Nash, "A Beautiful Mind"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:25:28 -0400
> From: Herb Schoenbohm <herbs@vitelcom.net>
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Re: CQ-Contest Digest, Vol 11, Issue 73
>
> Are you suggesting is that I (KV4FZ) operate as NP2/KV4FZ in future
> contests to avoid confusion? I am in the Virgin Islands and KV4 at
> least used to be a recognized prefix for this place. Maybe we should
> have more demanding of the FCC to retain our identity. Believe me if
> Johnny Johnson, W3BE (formerly K3BNS) of the FCC's amateur Division at
> the time, had arbitrarily decided to make Puerto Rico, for example, KV2
> there would have been a serious revolt. The Radio Club in Puerto Rico
> has some political clout so this just would have never happened.
> (Remember how they successfully lobbied the ARRL to make Desecheo a
> separate DXCC entity? They did so by threatening to join the IARU as a
> Puerto Rico member.)
>
> I think many agree that the now infamous FCC call sign switching debacle
> was punitive, stupid, and unnecessary. It did not result from a request
> for new rules by amateur from the bottom up but rather a single career
> bureaucratic employee at 1919 M Street with a K3 X3 call who wanted to
> send a message to all the 1X2 special interest call self- assignments,
> some of which were ARRL bigwigs. Rather than exposing the special
> interest arrangements and take action against those self assigned calls,
> he decided to deal with the problem by painting with a broad brush and
> create rules that hurt all of us. This was done without a hearing,
> without a vote, and without due process. He ended up getting his 1X2 as
> the rest of hamdom enjoyed the new alphabet soup.
>
> I promised Mr. DX Dick Spencley, KV4AA before he died, that I would
> never let this issue just fade away.
>
> There is a real story here of corruption, ineptness, and bureaucratic
> egotism which QST will never publish. Yet through the wonders of this
> post and the internet you are finding out.
>
> 73
>
> Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
>
> >>> I if use just NP3D this will confuse the people who thinks that
> >>>
> >>>>>>I am
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>working
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>from Puerto Rico. I posted a message in several Bullettines tht
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>NP3D is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>in
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>Zone 5 USA, not in Zone 8, PR.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Please use NP3D by itself. The latest country file will score
> >>>>>this as
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>United
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>States, Zone 5. Don't sign NP3D/2, that will confuse the
> >>>>>software and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>it will
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>think you are in US Virgin Islands (NP2).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>But, what about those who are not using CT? What about all
> >>>>the casual participants who are not using any contest logging
> >>>>software? If Andy uses simply NP3D, he's going to be called by a
> >>>>slew of stateside stations who don't realize he's not in PR,
> >>>>especially in light of the fact that he's planning an 80m SB
> >>>>operation. This is likely to prove highly frustrating for both
> >>>>Andy and the callers.
> >>>>
> >>>>73,
> >>>>
> >>>>Bill/NG3K
> >>>>
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