Igor,
on the one hand you are right about the bandwidth...
for i made an expirement in one of the latest contests i worked siriously.
Usually i equlize my tx signal well and with the same power i tried to put
some shit in my signal...
i guess the bandwidth of the tx signal incriezed
(sorry for wrong spelling - to talk is much easier then to write)...
i had better pile up and no one come close to my frequency.
But i really do not like when others say "RM3F has a bad signal", i
decreased level of shit in my signal...
and in 1 minut some S5... or OK... WITH shit wide signal came near my
frequency and pile up just died ... and i was really disuppointed with the
morden contesting...
73! UA3DPX/RM3F
----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Sokolov" <ua9cdc@gmail.com>
To: "Mats Strandberg" <sm6lrr@gmail.com>; "Andy V. Melanyin"
<ua3dpx@mail.ru>
Cc: <k5zd@charter.net>; <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?
> Matts, with 59 plus 60 signal no one can sound perfect. Most modern radio
> have only 30-35 db of IMD on TX. "Linear amps" often make it even worse.
> If
> I were on the CC I would allow any power as long as the occupied bandwidth
> is the same as that of a QRP station.
>
> 73, Igor UA9CDC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mats Strandberg" <sm6lrr@gmail.com>
> To: "Andy V. Melanyin" <ua3dpx@mail.ru>
> Cc: <k5zd@charter.net>; <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?
>
>
>> This is a much smaller problem. but always an argument that some
>> QROstations
>> wish to hide behind.... "Yes, I run too much power, but I am smart enough
>> to
>> turn my knobs correctly"... I sound perfect, but I am S9 plus 60....
>>
>> 73 de SM6LRR, Mats
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/10/14 Andy V. Melanyin <ua3dpx@mail.ru>
>>
>>> The other not very little problem is not only power but pushing all the
>>> driving knobs to maximum values (proc, drive, mic gaine). At some
>>> stations
>>> you can hear everything besides the operator voice ...
>>> 73! Andy UA3DPX/RM3F
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Strandberg" <sm6lrr@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> To: <k5zd@charter.net>
>>> Cc: <e73m@e73m.com>; <cq-contest@contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:46 AM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?
>>>
>>>
>>> Randy,
>>>>
>>>> I agree that local groups, individuals or national associations could
>>>> and
>>>> should support Contest Committees in solving such issues, but the
>>>> overall
>>>> responsibility definitely must be on the organizers themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody would be happier than me if we did not need to discuss issues
>>>> like
>>>> Power Cheating on reflectors. I would have enjoyed contesting
>>>> tremendously
>>>> if all competitiors by own initiative understood how exciting
>>>> contesting
>>>> can
>>>> be obeying ALL rules.
>>>>
>>>> It is very important that the expression "Zero Tolerance Against
>>>> Cheating"
>>>> is followed. There are too many discussions going on that adds
>>>> flexibility
>>>> also within the organizations. I have heard too much talks also from
>>>> committee members that they do not see such big problems with power
>>>> cheating, because 3 kW instead of 1 or 1.5 kW only adds just a few dB
>>>> and
>>>> they "can live with that"... Also reference to the past that cheating
>>>> has
>>>> always taken place, seems to be a justification why we should look
>>>> between
>>>> the fingers.
>>>>
>>>> If we do not get a grip on the existing power cheating, contesting will
>>>> not
>>>> be a very attractive sport in years to come.
>>>>
>>>> The contest committees themselves must also of course make sure that
>>>> ALL
>>>> committee members realize the full meaning of expression Zero Tolerance
>>>> and
>>>> follow not only Assisted-rules but also Power-rules. "Responsible
>>>> operation
>>>> of an amplifier" means: Not to exceed the power limitations of the
>>>> contest
>>>> and nothing else...
>>>>
>>>> If organizers are not capable of handling Power Cheating, I can see a
>>>> future
>>>> where new associations/clubs are founded with focus on Fair Play
>>>> Radiosport.
>>>> Perhaps in the beginning, such groups will be considered a bit odd, but
>>>> the
>>>> more people realize the serious situation with Power cheating, the more
>>>> support such groups will get and we can perhaps clean contesting from
>>>> the
>>>> inside.
>>>>
>>>> 73 de RA/SM6LRR, Mats
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/10/14 Randy Thompson K5ZD <k5zd@charter.net>
>>>>
>>>> Why must the responsibility always be on the Contest Committee many
>>>>> thousands of miles away? Who will be the first local group to stand
>>>>> up
>>>>> to
>>>>> the cheaters in their midst both directly, face to face, and by
>>>>> reporting
>>>>> them to the contest sponsors? What are you afraid of?
>>>>>
>>>>> Randy, K5ZD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> > From:
>>>>> > cq-contest-bounces@contesting.**com<cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com>[mailto:
>>>>> cq-contest-
>>>>> > bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mats Strandberg
>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:42 PM
>>>>> > To: e73m@e73m.com
>>>>> > Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > This is what I intended to express...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The power cheating is the big CHALLENGE of the present and future
>>>>> > contesting. WHO will be the first organizer deciding not to be an
>>>>> ostridge
>>>>> > concerning Power cheating?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 73 de SM6LRR, Mats
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2011/10/13 <e73m@e73m.com>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > Good question,
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > How blatant can you get?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Well, I will try again to bump the debate.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > It is not fault of sellers but users who buy them and then drive
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> them
>>>>> > > "responsibly".
>>>>> > > PVRC webinar from last Sunday, see at
>>>>> > > http://pvrc.org/webinar/cqww_**2011.wmv<http://pvrc.org/webinar/cqww_2011.wmv>,
>>>>> > > addressed issue of power and
>>>>> > > all I can get from those in charge of CQWW CC is :"be responsible
>>>>> > > and
>>>>> > fair".
>>>>> > > Another interesting thing was coined from K1DG and mentioned at
>>>>> > > webinar is SSSS (See Something, Say Something), related to 9/11 >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> events
>>>>> > > and translated into contesting.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Does CC wants us to be alert for big amps and report it to them?
>>>>> > > If
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > we
>>>>> > > need to police contesters with links to sites showing blatantly
>>>>> > > their
>>>>> > > big amps (even stacked one above another with air vents moved on
>>>>> > > the
>>>>> > > side) , then why we need CC?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > This coming CQ WW phone I will do only 100w and I invite CC to > >
>>>>> appoint
>>>>> > > observer to come and check my power during the contest. Hope some
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> will
>>>>> > > follow my footsteps and say the same but I really doubt.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > 73 Danny E73M,
>>>>> > > http://www.e73m.com
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > How blatant can you get?
>>>>> > > On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:53:08 -0700, David Gilbert wrote:
>>>>> > > > Check out this advertisement for a Henry 8K-Ultra from W7RF's
>>>>> > > > Radiodan website (
>>>>> > > > http://www.radiodan.com/Henry/**hf_price98.htm<http://www.radiodan.com/Henry/hf_price98.htm>)
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > <quote>
>>>>> > > > Beautiful condition and ready for the contest season! You know >
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> > those
>>>>> > > > BIG signals coming from Europe on 160 and 80? Want to know what
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> > they
>>>>> > > > use?
>>>>> > > > Yep, a Henry 8K.
>>>>> > > > And that's what you need for yourself to get through the noise.
>>>>> > > > Rated 5KW output (conservative)
>>>>> > > > Remote control with 20 foot cable
>>>>> > > > 240 VAC single phase
>>>>> > > > 30 day warranty
>>>>> > > > 8 presets
>>>>> > > > in service up until recently and ready for contest season!
>>>>> > > > Checked and tested by Henry factory less than 1 year ago
>>>>> > > > </quote>
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > 73,
>>>>> > > > Dave AB7E
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > >
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