My first contesting rig was a Yaesu FT-101E. Max power was about 150W.
Wondering if this was due to the ARRL rule.
73, Keith NM5G
On Sunday, December 26, 2021, 08:40:29 PM CST, Richard King <k5na@ecpi.com>
wrote:
What I remember is that the limit was originally 100W (50's and early 60s)
Then the rule was upped to 150W when most transmitters/transceivers were
running tube finals (like a pair of 6146's) which easily put out between
100 and 150W.
Then came the solid state rigs that only ran 100W output. But some low
power folks started using an amp to get them up to 150W.
And then finally we get to this last rule change taking it back to 100W.
Actually setting the low power category output to be 100W makes sense to me.
73 and HH, Richard - K5NA
On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 8:10 PM Bill Coleman <aa4lr@arrl.net> wrote:
> If memory serves, when the rule change was made, the K1 didn’t exist.
> Heck, I don’t believe Elecraft existed yet.
>
> The whole spirit of the NAQP was to get people to turn off their
> amplifiers and run barefoot. When the organizers discovered there were at
> least a few people running amplifiers to get from 100 to 150W, they changed
> the rules.
>
> And, yeah, if you own an FT-whatever that can run 200w and you want to
> enter as anything other than a checklog in the NAQP, you should turn the
> juice down to 100W.
>
> In any case, that’s how I remember the discussion from 20+ years ago.
>
> It is kind of interesting, though, how we have arrived here. There have
> always been rigs with a variety of power outputs throughout the ages. I
> remember Swan 700cx and 500cx, which were about 700 and 500W PEP input,
> probably closer to 420 and 300 watts output. Prior to that there was the
> Johnson Invader 2000, which could do a full legal limit at the time. Other
> rigs topped out at 50 watts out, like many Novice rigs, or the TenTec
> Century series.
>
> How did we get to 100 watts, anyway? Is it just a nice round number?
>
> I guess I could go for Low-Power being 150W, if QRP were 15W. That would
> put everything into nice powers of 10 progression.
>
> Since 100W is typical, though, and 150W is the exception, that’s probably
> where we’ve landed.
>
> Lord knows why QRP is 5W.
>
> > On Dec 26, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Edward Sawyer <
> EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
> >
> > If maximum output power allowed was 150W, does it matter if someone with
> a K1 is using an amp to get from 5w to 150W or someone using an FT2000 is
> using an amp to get from 100 to 150W? 150W is 150W. And it someone has an
> FT5000 and turns it down to 150W, does that make it better than someone
> using an amp to get up to 150W? Was there some unwritten rule that said if
> your FT1000 was a 200W rig you should ignore the 150W and turn it down
> actually to 100W? If so, I missed the memo.
> >
> > Its no longer 150W. But how someone gets there, is of no importance to
> the rest of the participants.
> >
> > Ed N1UR
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Coleman <aa4lr@arrl.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2021 9:49 AM
> > To: John Unger <w4au.john@gmail.com>
> > Cc: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>; W4NZ Ted Bryant <
> w4nz@comcast.net>; cq-contest@contesting.com; wc1m73@gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Low Power Change to ARRL Contests
> >
> > The NAQP rules were changed a couple of decades ago from 150 to 100w,
> when it became apparent that a few participants were running an amplifier
> to make up the last 50 watts.
> >
> >> On Dec 24, 2021, at 4:05 PM, John Unger <w4au.john@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I seem to remember that not all that long ago, when LP was 150W, that
> >> the League made it illegal to use an amp in the LP contests to bring
> >> the output of a 100W rig up to 150W. But I can’t remember exactly when
> >> that ruling was made or how common the practice was, though…
> >>
> >> 73 - John, W4AU
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 09:59 Edward Sawyer
> >> <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I believe it was - back in the 60s and 70s - however it changed to
> >>> 150W output power sometime by 1980 or so and has been that ever
> >>> since, by my remembrance.
> >>>
> >>> Ed N1UR
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: W4NZ Ted Bryant <w4nz@comcast.net>
> >>> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2021 10:26 AM
> >>> To: wc1m73@gmail.com; Edward Sawyer
> >>> <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>;
> >>> cq-contest@contesting.com
> >>> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Low Power Change to ARRL Contests
> >>>
> >>> Wasn't the original rule for 150w based at that time on INPUT power,
> >>> plate voltage X plate current? With final amp efficiencies then,
> >>> that equated to about 100w output, today's rule.
> >>>
> >>> 73 es MX,
> >>> Ted W4NZ
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+w4nz=
> >>> comcast.net@contesting.com] On Behalf Of wc1m73@gmail.com
> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 1:20 PM
> >>> To: 'Edward Sawyer'; cq-contest@contesting.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Low Power Change to ARRL Contests
> >>>
> >>> 100W vs 150W for Low Power has been under discussion at ARRL for a
> >>> long time. I agree that it affects comparisons with previous scores,
> >>> records, etc., but I don't have a lot of concern about that. It
> >>> doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense from a contesting
> >>> perspective to make an exception for FD, but ARRL says FD isn't a
> contest.
> >>>
> >>> I think the idea is that the vast majority of modern transceivers max
> >>> out at 100W (or a little less), and it requires a more expensive rig
> >>> or an amp to achieve 150W. That means you have to spend considerably
> >>> more money to be competitive in the Low Power category. Also, some
> >>> amps may not perform properly (cleanly?) at such a low gain level. I
> >>> guess there could be a concern that there would be too much
> >>> temptation to goose the power a little higher to complete a tough
> contact. It seems like a sensible change to me.
> >>>
> >>> I'm thinking the exception for FD is to reduce the level of
> >>> frustration when operating with low wire antennas from less than
> >>> ideal locations, and ARRL wants FD to be a happy, non-competitive
> >>> event. That said, I doubt many low power teams operating on emergency
> >>> power use amps because they require more gas for the generators.
> >>>
> >>> As for messing up comparisons with previous scores and records,
> >>> that's always possible when rules are modified. But if that
> >>> consideration prevents modification of contest rules, then we can
> >>> never improve contests. Similar things happen with DXCC, Honor Roll,
> >>> #1 Honor Roll, etc. You can't compare apples to apples when the list
> >>> of official entities keeps changing, which it must. And can we really
> >>> compare Tom Brady with Joe Montana or Otto Graham?
> >>> The numbers say yes, but the rules and game were totally different in
> >>> their respective eras.
> >>>
> >>> I take contest records with a grain of salt. It's even hard to
> >>> compare one's own performance from year to year because conditions
> >>> and participation are never the same. Rough comparisons may be
> >>> helpful to see if your performance is improving, but a more useful
> >>> way to do that is to compare your rank with the same set of
> >>> competitors over a period of many years and multiple sunspot cycles
> >>> if possible. I have spreadsheets for CQ WW CW and CQ WPX CW going
> >>> back over 20 years that compare my score, rank, QSOs and mults on
> >>> each band, etc., with the winner of the contest. The spreadsheet also
> >>> records the antennas I used and solar/geomagnetic activity for the
> contest weekend each year.
> >>>
> >>> 73, Dick WC1M
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 7:01 AM
> >>> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> >>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Low Power Change to ARRL Contests
> >>>
> >>> I saw today that this change was announced in the ARRL Contests
> >>> starting in Jan 1. The Low Power Category will be changed from 150W
> >>> output to 100W output. On a contest to contest basis, this has no
> significant impact.
> >>> However, on previous scores it does. For any of you who have ever
> >>> seriously competed using Low Power, 50W matters on 80 and 160M,
> >>> especially on SSB contests.
> >>>
> >>> I found it surprising that an exception was made for Field Day????
> >>> Really???
> >>> Why Field Day? Isn't everyone using primarily mobile HF rigs for
> >>> Field Day anyway and none put out more than 100W? And since "its not
> a contest" why
> >>> is making that exception so important. The never ending head
> scratching
> >>> over the ARRL and Field Day......
> >>>
> >>> This will make records harder to beat in this category going forward.
> >>>
> >>> Ed N1UR
> >>>
> >>>
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