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Re: [CQ-Contest] TO7A debacle

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] TO7A debacle
From: Don Field <don.field@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 20:31:16 +0100
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I need to correct my earlier posting regarding my friend G3ZHL - it appears
he did take part in CQWW CW, using the CW decoder in his K3.

Here's what he said:

*Don,*

*Yes, I was active on 29th and 30th November, but just on a "dipping in"
basis to fill in band slots on CW.*

*I have logged TO7A as  follows:*

*29/11/14 0048UTC 7.066 MHz*

*30/11/14 1403UTC 28.066MHz*

*The contest exchanges are obvious since TO7A was allegedly on Martinique.*

* So, you can put the other two bands down to "creative logging".*

*I may have called TO7A at other times on other bands, but if so I
obviously thought I didn't beat the pile-ups.*

*I note that the ClubLog log check for TO7A (accessed via qrz.com
<http://qrz.com/>) matches the above two QSOs, but does not show any
others. Interesting?!*

*I hope that helps. *

*73,*

*Guy G3ZHL*


My apologies for not checking before I made the post.

73 Don G3XTT





On 11 May 2015 at 12:37, Don Field <don.field@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just for the record, G3ZHL is a good friend of mine and doesn't operate CW
> or 160m
>
> 73 Don G3XTT
>
> On 11 May 2015 at 07:38, <donovanf@starpower.net> wrote:
>
>> Something is really wrong with this TO7A public log. There are a few brief
>> runs on 160 meters scattered through the log, and they're all very
>> familiar
>> calls to 160 meters operators. Then there's this run that was first
>> noticed
>> by EA5RS that looks all wrong. Most of the calls are not regularly active
>> on 160 meters and only a three appear in PJ2T's 160 meter log:
>>
>>
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0437 W9FML
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0438 K6NO
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0439 ON4TO
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0440 OZ1CTK
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0441 AC5RN
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0442 RA3QSY
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0444 G3ZHL
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0445 DL7SBV
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0446 DL8OK
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0447 OH3M
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0448 SM2BLY
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0449 UT5URW
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0450 K4LNN
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0451 DL3TU
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0452 LA5HE
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0454 OE3V
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0456 OK1EK
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0457 SP3CQP
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0459 OM1LA
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0459 K0PJ
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0502 PA1BR
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0504 PY1NP
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0506 LZ1MG
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0507 RW3PK
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0508 R6KY
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0509 9A2JK
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0511 LU2YE
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0512 N3XF
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0513 W2OR
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0515 YU1QU
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0517 EA4FL
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0518 W9FY
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0518 N5HI
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0519 EI2KC
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0520 KG8P
>> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0522 EA8MT
>>
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>>
>>
>> 73
>> Frank
>> W3LPL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "k3it" <gokoyev+k3it@gmail.com>
>> To: "Richard F DiDonna NN3W" <richnn3w@verizon.net>
>> Cc: "CQ-Contest Reflector" <cq-contest@contesting.com>, "Frank Donovan" <
>> donovanf@starpower.net>
>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 2:22:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] TO7A debacle
>>
>>
>> UT5URW does not appear on 160m in any of the 7000+ logs except TO7A's.
>> There is also a second NIL QSO with UT5URW in TO7A's log on 20m. Andrey
>> lives in a high rise apartment building and doesn't have a 160m antenna as
>> far as I know.
>>
>>
>> What's interesting is that UT5URW almost never sends in contest logs (his
>> main interest is DXing - I think he is missing only the Bouvet Island). The
>> last log submitted before 2014 was in 1995! But he is active in almost
>> every CQ WW, chasing DX and giving out points to friends. Just never
>> bothers to submit the log. What a surprise in 2014!
>>
>>
>> I grew up with UT5URW and I know that he keeps absolutely meticulous
>> record of his activities. There almost no chance that he could make a QSO
>> without logging, especially if it's a non-trivial 160m DX contact.
>>
>>
>> curious if these NIL QSOs exist on the SDR recording. May be someone else
>> was pretending to be UT5URW ;)
>>
>>
>> 73! Vasily K3IT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Richard F DiDonna NN3W <
>> richnn3w@verizon.net > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Frank, I looked at this with some spot checks: OE3V, LA5HE (Rag!),
>> SP3CQP, etc. Your team did not work any of these stations; nor did K3LR;
>> nor did DL1A; nor did CN2AA - on any band...
>>
>> Looking a the log of ON4TO, the op made his last QSO at 2310z on 11/29
>> and it looks like he went to bed. He resumed operating at 0608z on 11/30.
>>
>> Odd indeed.
>>
>> 73 Rich NN3W
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/10/2015 5:14 PM, donovanf@starpower.net wrote:
>>
>> <blockquote>
>> Juan,
>>
>>
>> You've discovered an extremely unusual pattern in the TO7A public log
>> that's very difficult to rationalize.
>>
>>
>> Three of the 160 meter European QSOs in TO7A's log have public logs:
>> ON4TO, UT5URW and R6KY. There is no TO7A 160M QSO in
>> any of these logs.
>>
>>
>> There's a remarkable run of 160 meter European QSOs from 0437-0608Z
>> Sunday in the TO7A's log but a lack of any of the very active 160 meter
>> European calls in the TO7A log.. It would be interesting to try to find
>> the
>> European calls in the 0437-0608Z TO7A 160 meter log and also the
>> PY1NP and LU2YE calls in the 160 meters in the logs of other very active
>> 160 meter stations such as CN2AA, 9K2HN, HK1NA and PJ2T.
>>
>>
>> I suspect only a tiny fraction of the European calls in that 0437-0608Z
>> 160
>> meter run appear in any 160 meter log and PY1NP and LU2YE
>> probably won't be found either.
>>
>>
>> This unusual pattern may also appear elsewhere in the TO7A log...
>>
>>
>> 73
>> Frank
>> W3LPL
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Juan EA5RS" < ea5rs@ono.com >
>> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 6:08:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] TO7A debacle
>>
>> Interesting debate, but I am afraid there has been some misleading
>> info/assumption on the reason for TO7A's DQ.
>>
>> I have not studied the log in detail, but if you are curious enough, have
>> a
>> look at TO7A's 160m log:
>> Not one single station with a public log in zones 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 20
>> or
>> 33 claims working TO7A on 160
>> Yet TO7A's log claims having worked 29 stations in these zones.
>> Most of these 29 QSOs are unique calls at least on 160, most do not have a
>> public log, and if they have a public log, the 160m QSO with TO7A is not
>> there
>>
>> Maybe this has something to do with why he has been DQd
>> I have performed a similar scrutiny with some of TO7A's competitors logs
>> but
>> I haven't found a similar situation
>>
>> Just public logs data (5,8 million records) and some database code
>>
>> Juan
>> EA5RS
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: CQ-Contest [mailto: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com ] En nombre de
>> Stan
>> Stockton
>> Enviado el: domingo, 10 de mayo de 2015 1:09
>> Para: W0MU Mike Fatchett
>> CC: cq-contest@contesting.com
>> Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] TO7A debacle
>>
>>
>> <blockquote>
>> On 5/9/2015 12:11 PM, Lloyd Cabral wrote:
>>
>>
>> After following this thread, my only wish is that Randy would have
>>
>>
>> inquired here for another e-mail address
>>
>> <blockquote>
>> for Dim, or another source of contact with him BEFORE bringing this issue
>>
>> </blockquote>
>> mainstream. Accusations as
>>
>> <blockquote>
>> serious as this should first be handled privately with the accused given a
>>
>> </blockquote>
>> fair chance to defend himself.
>>
>> <blockquote>
>> Stan K5GO hit the nail on the head with his previous post. IMHO, taking
>>
>> </blockquote>
>> Dim's case public right off seemed
>>
>> <blockquote>
>> premature, unprofessional and totally unnecessary.
>> Lloyd KH6LC
>> On May 9, 2015, at 3:15 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett < w0mu@w0mu.com > wrote:
>>
>> The guy got caught red handed and you people want to hang those that
>>
>> </blockquote>
>> caught him.
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I wish you had told everyone you had information showing or even saying he
>> got caught red handed a long time ago. Do you have some information that
>> says he was caught "red handed"?
>>
>> Everyone else is reading what has been written and the email posted on the
>> reflector says that the committee had a "belief" that he was using
>> assistance and substantiated the fact that it was a "belief" by asking him
>> to provide a recording (not required in the rules) in order to further
>> evaluate the situation. However, even in that email, the bottom line and
>> last sentence, after what would appear to be an attempt to communicate
>> some
>> hope that there would be further evaluation, said emphatically and in no
>> uncertain terms that he was disqualified for 2014 but welcome to enter in
>> 2015.
>>
>> I am not making any assumption this process is as cut and dried as you
>> would
>> like it to be.
>>
>> 73...Stan, K5GO
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