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Mirko, S57AD
V V tor., 2. jun. 2020 ob 23:37 je oseba Salvatore Ted K2QMF <k2qmf@juno.com>
napisala:
> 2B or not 2B!!! What the heck is 2BSIQ??
>
> Inquiring old minds want to know???
> K2QMF
>
> On 6/2/2020 3:36:34 PM, rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jeff, calm down.
>
> I was merely pointing out that this isn’t *just* a rule from the big, bad
> ARRL. Rather, it’s common to both ARRL and CQ. Don’t read more into it than
> there is. There is nothing else there.
>
> Ria
> N2RJ
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 2:52 PM Jeff Clarke wrote:
>
> > Ria,
> >
> > You totally missed the point. I never proposed that the ARRL (or CQ)
> > allow dual CQing on the SAME band. The fact is that this practice was
> > allowed in the ARRL DX contest up until about 5 years ago because it
> > wasn't addressed in the rules. Someone on this reflector called out a
> > well known contest station in the Caribbean who was doing dueling CQ's
> > on the same band in the ARRL DX SSB as to suggest they were cheating.
> > They weren't because they were taking advantage of a loophole in the
> > rules, like every competitive contester does. Someone who has a lots of
> > clout with the ARRL pointed out this inconstancy in their rules as
> > compared to other contests and the rule was changed the very next year.
> > If I'm not mistaken I believe this practice was also allowed in the CQ
> > contests for a long time before the rules were changed to ban it. The
> > examples I used in my comments were for a station doing dual CQs on two
> > DIFFERENT bands.
> >
> > That being said I'm not proposing that 2BSIQ or SO2R be banned. It
> > should just be a separate category. The rational I'm using is the same
> > that was used to separate SOLP, SOQRP, SOA from the traditional SOHP
> > category in most contests. The same could be said for the Classic and
> > Tribander/Wire categories in the CQ contests. Think about this analogy
> > in motorsports. Would it be fair for a Formula One race car to compete
> > directly with a NASCAR. Those of you who follow auto racing know the
> > answer to that question. That's why all motorsports have different
> > formulas (i.e different racing series). It seems like some people seem
> > to think it's fair to group all single-operators together whether they
> > are using one radio or two. Having a 2nd radio to do dual CQs on
> > separate bands or to just look for stations/multipliers gives someone a
> > huge advantage just like using a spotting network as SOA does.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > On 6/2/2020 09:22 AM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
> > > "The rules for ARRL contests prohibit dual CQing on the same band:"
> > >
> > > This is also true for CQ sponsored contests. It is general rule IX 7.:
> > >
> > > "Only one signal on a band is allowed at any time. When two or more
> > > transmitters are present on the same band, a hardware device MUST be
> > > used to prevent more than one signal at any one time. Alternating CQs
> > > on two or more frequencies on a band is not permitted."
> > >
> > > 73
> > > Ria, N2RJ
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 09:05, Richard F DDonna NN3W
> > wrote:
> > >> Jeff, I'm going to have to disagree with you. The fact of the matter
> is
> > >> that the current rules fully allow 2BSIQ operating. The rules of most
> > all
> > >> contests for single operators state that only one transmitted signal
> is
> > >> allowed at one time. 2BSIQ operating fully complies with this
> > >> requirement. This is simply a progression of traditional SO2R
> > operating.
> > >> SO2R is pretty common at stations these days, and the ability to do
> > 2BSIQ
> > >> operating is simply an evolution of operator skill and practice - as
> > >> opposed to an additional hardware feature that is not available
> > >> to any ham.
> > >>
> > >> Lets remember also that most all other categories are more than simply
> > one
> > >> operator and one radio. Multi-single entrants often have three radios:
> > >> radio #1 that is running on one band, radio #2 that is picking off
> > mults on
> > >> a second band, and radio #3 that is working in-band S&P on the same
> > band as
> > >> radio #1. As long as there is only one transmitted signal and the
> rules
> > >> permit a mult hunter radio, there is again no rules violation. Multi-2
> > >> stations often have four radios.
> > >>
> > >> The rules for ARRL contests prohibit dual CQing on the same band:
> > "alternating
> > >> CQs on two or more frequencies using the same band and mode is
> > prohibited."
> > >> The rules are absolutely silent on dual CQing on the same band, which
> > >> clearly implies that as the ARRL general rules specifically prohibit
> > >> in-band dual running, the rules contemplate two band running.
> > >>
> > >> I personally am not up to nuff on 2BSIQ on CW. I can do it on SSB.
> > >> Probably because I havent practiced it enough. I will say for certain
> > that
> > >> I have done some 2BSIQ on CW - but usually when one band is runnable
> and
> > >> when one band is just getting going. I find it to be a valid technique
> > in
> > >> assessing which band is "hotter".
> > >>
> > >> Could the rules be amended to expressly prohibit simultaneous "CQs"?
> > Sure,
> > >> go ahead and try. I'm not sure how it really helps anyone.
> > >>
> > >> 73 Rich NN3W
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 2:39 AM Jeff Clarke wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I was wondering what everyone's thoughts are about 2BSIQ ? Do you
> think
> > >>> it's fair to group those who operate this way in with a traditional
> > >>> single-operator or should it (and SO2R) be a separate category? I've
> > >>> found by looking at the 3830 claimed scores that those who do 2BSIQ
> > come
> > >>> close to doubling the score of everyone else.
> > >>>
> > >>> There's also a technically in the rules for most contests that you
> > >>> aren't really on a band unless you are transmitting. I just happened
> to
> > >>> come across a video on YouTube of a well known contester who recorded
> > >>> himself operating 2BSIQ. What he did is when he was operating on one
> > >>> band and in the middle of a QSO he would be CQing on another band. So
> > >>> he was basically doing a Multi-2 minus transmitting at the same time
> > >>> with one operator and managing two pileups of stations calling him.
> > Also
> > >>> consider that if you are Multi-Single you're limited to how many
> QSY's
> > >>> you can make on a 2nd radio while doing Single-Op SO2R there is no
> > >>> limitation. Is that really fair? For M/S why not just allow unlimited
> > >>> QSY's on your 2nd radio if you're only working multipliers on that
> > >>> station. It would be pretty easy to for those checking your log to
> > >>> validate this.
> > >>>
> > >>> CQ kind of addresses these issues but why are the Classic rules
> > >>> different between CQWW and CQ WPX? I want to operate more than 24
> hours
> > >>> in CQWW. There isn't anything classic about only allowing 24 hours in
> > >>> CQWW. It's basically a category for old guys that can't do more than
> 24
> > >>> hours anymore. Also why isn't there a Tribander/Single Element
> category
> > >>> in CQWW? Plus this category in WPX says you can't use a receive
> > >>> antenna. What's going on with that?
> > >>>
> > >>> Why not make these categories consistent between all CQ sponsored
> > >>> contests using the WPX definition of Classic and Tribander/Single
> > Element ?
> > >>>
> > >>> *CQWW Rules :*
> > >>>
> > >>> /1. Classic Operator (CLASSIC): The entrant will use only one radio,
> no
> > >>> QSO finding assistance, and may operate up to 24 of the 48 hours –
> off
> > >>> times are a minimum of 60 minutes during which no QSO is logged. If
> the
> > >>> log shows more than 24 hours of operation, only the first 24 hours
> will
> > >>> be counted for the overlay score. The one radio must not be able to
> > >>> receive while transmitting. Single Operator Assisted entries are not
> > >>> eligible for this category./
> > >>>
> > >>> *CQ WPX Rules :*
> > >>>
> > >>> /1. Tribander/Single Element (TB-WIRES): During the contest an
> entrant
> > >>> shall use only one (1) tribander (any type, with a single feed line
> > from
> > >>> the transmitter to the antenna) for 10, 15, and 20 meters and
> > >>> single-element antennas on 40, 80, and 160 meters. Separate receiving
> > >>> antennas are not permitted in this category./*
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> /3. Classic Operator (CLASSIC): The entrant will use only one radio,
> no
> > >>> QSO finding assistance, and the one radio must not be able to receive
> > >>> while transmitting. Operator Assisted entries are not eligible for
> this
> > >>> category./
> > >>>
> > >>> /
> > >>> /
> > >>>
> > >>> *ARRL DX Rules :*
> > >>>
> > >>> The Multi-Single rules for ARRL DX are even worse. You have to take
> > time
> > >>> away from your run station to work multipliers on a 2nd band. But
> there
> > >>> aren't any QSY limitations for a single-operator. So like the CQ
> > >>> contests you can operate like a traditional multi-2 station in a CQ
> > >>> contest without any limitations. ARRL - Why not add a Classic -
> > >>> Tribander/Single Element category like CQ has?
> > >>>
> > >>> /3.4.4 Band Changes. Single Transmitter and Two Transmitter
> > sub-category
> > >>> entries are limited to six (6) band changes per clock hour per
> > >>> transmitter./
> > >>>
> > >>> /
> > >>> /
> > >>>
> > >>> I hope those who operate 2BSIQ in contests don't take my comments
> > >>> personally. I'm not against the technological advances we have in
> > >>> contesting these days. I just think it's fair to those who don't have
> > >>> the means to have all the equipment necessary to do this not be
> grouped
> > >>> in with those who do.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Jeff KU8E
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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