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Re: [RFI] Ensuring an RFI free air conditioner install

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Subject: Re: [RFI] Ensuring an RFI free air conditioner install
From: David Winarsky <david@winarsky.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 12:46:29 -0700
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My contractor reached out to Trane to ask about the RFI mitigation (in case I 
do have an issue after install) and apparently Trane told him they are not 
under any FCC regulation or RFI obligation. Is there a specific law I can refer 
him to?  Would it be part 15?

Thanks,
David K6ZD

> On Oct 1, 2020, at 11:48, David Winarsky <david@winarsky.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks John, that is very helpful regarding the air handler and ECM motor.  
> 
> I am planning on doing my RFI survey before and after and will keep the group 
> here updated on that.  I’m also skeptical that I will find a contractor that 
> will agree to being responsible for any potential remediation, but will try 
> my hand!
> 
> David K6ZD
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2020, at 5:06 AM, John Pelham <john@radiophile.com> wrote:
>> 
>> David,
>> 
>> Googling "Trane 4TTL6 4 ton 16 SEER Slimline" brought me to a description of 
>> that unit. But it's just the outside unit, the condenser. You also need to 
>> consider the air handler inside, where the evaporator and fan are located.
>> 
>> About eight years ago I bought a Trane heat pump (same as AC, except can be 
>> reversed to provide heat) for my house. Hoping to get no RFI, I specified a 
>> single-speed motor. What I got was an ECM (electronically commutated motor) 
>> that was set up to run at a single speed, in the inside air handler. The ECM 
>> generated significant RFI. I was able to reduce it to negligible levels with 
>> #31 ferrites on the motor and thermostat wires.
>> 
>> The contract text "Upon installation <the HVAC contractor> will test for 
>> RFI, if RFI is detected we will work with manufacture in resolving the 
>> issue. Any additional labor, parts, or kits to be installed will be at an 
>> additional cost to be determined at such time" is poor. The contractor is 
>> not competent to "test for RFI." You should do the testing, at your station. 
>> And the remediation of any RFI found should be paid for by the manufacturer 
>> or contractor. Good luck getting a contractor to agree to this.
>> 
>> 73, John W1JA
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces+john=radiophile.com@contesting.com] On Behalf 
>> Of David Winarsky
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 4:00 PM
>> To: rfi@contesting.com
>> Subject: [RFI] Ensuring an RFI free air conditioner install
>> 
>> I’ve had enough of the global warming induced heat waves in Northern 
>> California and am finally being forced to install air conditioning in my 
>> home.  I’m well aware that there is an RFI risk when installing this type of 
>> appliance.  In order to mitigate that risk, I’m taking the following steps:
>> 
>> 1.  I’ve made sure that the model does not include a variable speed motor, 
>> but is anyone aware of any issues with the Trane 4TTL6 4 ton 16 SEER 
>> Slimline AC?
>> 
>> 2.  I’ve researched whether there is an RFI kit available from the 
>> manufacturer, but apparently according to train there is none for this 
>> model.  They are apparently only intended for models with variable speed 
>> motors.
>> 
>> 3.  In addition, I’ve read on the list previously that I should include 
>> language in the contract to ensure it is an RFI free installation.   I asked 
>> my contractor to include this in the contract and he included the following: 
>> 
>> "Upon installation <the HVAC contractor> will test for RFI, if RFI is 
>> detected we will work with manufacture in resolving the issue. Any 
>> additional labor, parts, or kits to be installed will be at an additional 
>> cost to be determined at such time.”
>> 
>> I’m concerned that this simply means he will charge me for any additional 
>> work related to the RFI mitigation, but I can also understand that he can’t 
>> foresee what will be involved.  
>> 
>> Are there any additional steps others would recommend and can anyone 
>> recommend language to include in the contract that will provide more 
>> protection for myself and incentive for the contractor?
>> 
>> 73,
>> David K6ZD
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