Here’s a good example of what can happen
https://www.wmar2news.com/news/local-news/firefighter-reportedly-injured-in-two-story-fire-thursday
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> 1. NIMBY - Here?s how I dissuade my neighbors (Bob Kozlarek WA2SQQ)
> 2. Re: NIMBY - Here?s how I dissuade my neighbors
> (James Gordon Beattie Jr)
> 3. Re: NIMBY - Here?s how I dissuade my neighbors (Michael Carter)
> 4. Re: NIMBY - Here?s how I dissuade my neighbors (Mike NA6MB)
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> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 17:10:27 -0500
> From: Bob Kozlarek WA2SQQ <wa2sqq@gmail.com>
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> Subject: [RFI] NIMBY - Here?s how I dissuade my neighbors
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> I?ve had a few people in my neighborhood consider installing solar panels.
> I spoke to our fire inspector about the protocol the department has for
> fighting a fire involving solar panels on the roof. Short version of the
> long story is they will not go up on a roof or engage with the fire until
> the panels are disabled. They are looking into a black tar like spray that
> could be applied to the panels to disable them. He explained that the light
> on an evening from a full moon can produce enough voltage to be very
> hazardous to a fire fighter. New Jersey solar panel installers also
> deceptively don?t inform the customer that they are signing away their
> energy credits. In three cases, when my neighbors found out about this,
> their response was thanks but no thanks I?m not interested. --
>
>
>
> *Best 73 de WA2SQQElmwood Park, NJ"The only dumb questions are those we
> don't ask"*
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> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 23:09:04 +0000
> From: James Gordon Beattie Jr <w2ttt@att.net>
> To: Bob Kozlarek WA2SQQ <wa2sqq@gmail.com>, "rfi@contesting.com"
> <rfi@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RFI] NIMBY - Here?s how I dissuade my neighbors
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> Bob,
> So does the coating ruin the panels?
> If you pay for your system up front, you should be able to keep the
> credits.
> If we do solar, it will be on racks and not the house and will not be
> grid-tied. People here use battery arrays.
>
>
>
> 73,
> J. Gordon "Gordie" Beattie, Jr., W2TTT
> 201.314.6964
> W2TTT@ATT.NET
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>
> Get On The Air!
>
> ________________________________
> From: RFI <rfi-bounces+w2ttt=att.net@contesting.com> on behalf of Bob
> Kozlarek WA2SQQ <wa2sqq@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2022 5:10:27 PM
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> Subject: [RFI] NIMBY - Here?s how I dissuade my neighbors
>
> I?ve had a few people in my neighborhood consider installing solar panels.
> I spoke to our fire inspector about the protocol the department has for
> fighting a fire involving solar panels on the roof. Short version of the
> long story is they will not go up on a roof or engage with the fire until
> the panels are disabled. They are looking into a black tar like spray that
> could be applied to the panels to disable them. He explained that the light
> on an evening from a full moon can produce enough voltage to be very
> hazardous to a fire fighter. New Jersey solar panel installers also
> deceptively don?t inform the customer that they are signing away their
> energy credits. In three cases, when my neighbors found out about this,
> their response was thanks but no thanks I?m not interested. --
>
>
>
> *Best 73 de WA2SQQElmwood Park, NJ"The only dumb questions are those we
> don't ask"*
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 02:25:46 +0000
> From: Michael Carter <Mike.Carter@unh.edu>
> To: "rfi@contesting.com" <rfi@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RFI] NIMBY - Here?s how I dissuade my neighbors
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> NFPA 70, the National Electrical Safety Code, describes
> requirements for rapid shutdown of photovoltaic arrays
> in Article 690.12. Most local Authorities Having Jurisdiction
> (local building code boards) adopt NFPA 70 requirements,
> but not all do. First responders (primarily firefighters) are
> aware of the rapid shutdown requirement for photovoltaic
> systems mounted on buildings - spraying an occluding
> substance over a PV array should not be necessary. If
> a PV system is installed in violation of local codes that
> incorporate NFPA 70 by reference, that is another matter
> entirely. Article 690.12 doesn't prevent potentially
> hazardous voltages from being present on building-mounted
> PV systems even if the rapid shutdown function has been
> activated (e.g. DC disconnect of the array modules by a
> manual switch), but it does limit the extent of the hazard.
>
> Mike, K8CN
> (father of paramedic/firefighter, and licensed Professional Engineer)
> ________________________________
> From: RFI <rfi-bounces+mike.carter=unh.edu@contesting.com> on behalf of
> Bob Kozlarek WA2SQQ <wa2sqq@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2022 5:10 PM
> To: rfi@contesting.com <rfi@contesting.com>
> Subject: [RFI] NIMBY - Here?s how I dissuade my neighbors
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> I?ve had a few people in my neighborhood consider installing solar panels.
> I spoke to our fire inspector about the protocol the department has for
> fighting a fire involving solar panels on the roof. Short version of the
> long story is they will not go up on a roof or engage with the fire until
> the panels are disabled. They are looking into a black tar like spray that
> could be applied to the panels to disable them. He explained that the light
> on an evening from a full moon can produce enough voltage to be very
> hazardous to a fire fighter. New Jersey solar panel installers also
> deceptively don?t inform the customer that they are signing away their
> energy credits. In three cases, when my neighbors found out about this,
> their response was thanks but no thanks I?m not interested. --
>
>
>
> *Best 73 de WA2SQQElmwood Park, NJ"The only dumb questions are those we
> don't ask"*
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> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 08:33:10 -0800
> From: Mike NA6MB <na6mb.mike@gmail.com>
> To: Michael Carter <Mike.Carter@unh.edu>, "rfi@contesting.com"
> <rfi@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RFI] NIMBY - Here?s how I dissuade my neighbors
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> On my system, the shut off is on the DC input to the bulk converter at
> the converter.
> The label on the metal conduit says 600VDC.
> The DC wires on the roof are? still live.
> That would protect someone working on the AC panel or solar converter,
> but not up on the roof.
>
> NA6MB
>
>
>
> On 12/13/2022 6:25 PM, Michael Carter wrote:
> > NFPA 70, the National Electrical Safety Code, describes
> > requirements for rapid shutdown of photovoltaic arrays
> > in Article 690.12. Most local Authorities Having Jurisdiction
> > (local building code boards) adopt NFPA 70 requirements,
> > but not all do. First responders (primarily firefighters) are
> > aware of the rapid shutdown requirement for photovoltaic
> > systems mounted on buildings - spraying an occluding
> > substance over a PV array should not be necessary. If
> > a PV system is installed in violation of local codes that
> > incorporate NFPA 70 by reference, that is another matter
> > entirely. Article 690.12 doesn't prevent potentially
> > hazardous voltages from being present on building-mounted
> > PV systems even if the rapid shutdown function has been
> > activated (e.g. DC disconnect of the array modules by a
> > manual switch), but it does limit the extent of the hazard.
> >
> > Mike, K8CN
> > (father of paramedic/firefighter, and licensed Professional Engineer)
> > ________________________________
> > From: RFI <rfi-bounces+mike.carter=unh.edu@contesting.com> on behalf of
> Bob Kozlarek WA2SQQ <wa2sqq@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2022 5:10 PM
> > To: rfi@contesting.com <rfi@contesting.com>
> > Subject: [RFI] NIMBY - Here?s how I dissuade my neighbors
> >
> > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the University System. Do
> not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and
> know the content is safe.
> >
> >
> > I?ve had a few people in my neighborhood consider installing solar
> panels.
> > I spoke to our fire inspector about the protocol the department has for
> > fighting a fire involving solar panels on the roof. Short version of the
> > long story is they will not go up on a roof or engage with the fire until
> > the panels are disabled. They are looking into a black tar like spray
> that
> > could be applied to the panels to disable them. He explained that the
> light
> > on an evening from a full moon can produce enough voltage to be very
> > hazardous to a fire fighter. New Jersey solar panel installers also
> > deceptively don?t inform the customer that they are signing away their
> > energy credits. In three cases, when my neighbors found out about this,
> > their response was thanks but no thanks I?m not interested. --
> >
> >
> >
> > *Best 73 de WA2SQQElmwood Park, NJ"The only dumb questions are those we
> > don't ask"*
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