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Re: [RFI] RFI Digest, Vol 151, Issue 14

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Subject: Re: [RFI] RFI Digest, Vol 151, Issue 14
From: Stanley Zawrotny <k4sbz.stan@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:05:35 -0400
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>>I have 1 hard wired Kiddie unit that  also talks wirelessly to 9 battery 
>>operated detectors. These units have given me no issues.

Are all the units Kidde?

Stan, K4SBZ


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>   1. Re: Smoke Detectors (Kenneth Goodwin)
>   2. Re: RFI With Smoke Detectors (Don Kiser)
>   3. Re: RFI With Smoke Detectors (Howard Lester)
>   4. Re: RFI With Smoke Detectors (Richard Battles)
>   5. Re: RFI With Smoke Detectors (Howard Lester)
>   6. Re: RFI With Smoke Detectors (Roger (K8RI))
>   7. Re: RFI With Smoke Detectors (Stanley Zawrotny)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 23:14:07 -0500
> From: "Kenneth Goodwin" <krgoodwin@comcast.net>
> To: <rfi@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RFI] Smoke Detectors
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> Make sure the smoke detectors are installed correctly.  I had similar
> problems with newly installed detectors and after the usual ferrites, etc.,
> come to find out they were not terminated properly.  The end of the string
> needs to be terminated with a load which was a different wiring
> configuration scheme for the detector at the end of the chain.  In Texas,
> installations done by licensed installers require that the smoke detectors
> be powered by only by the panel, e.g., battery powered detectors are not
> allowed.  Ken K5RG
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 06:00:08 -0400
> From: Don Kiser <ac2ev@frontier.com>
> To: "rfi@contesting.com" <rfi@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RFI] RFI With Smoke Detectors
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> Is replacing the units with a different manufacturer an option? They should 
> be replaced every 10 years. I was having issue with 40m RFI getting into my 
> CO detectors. Switched to a different brand. 
> 
> I have a vertical approximately 60 feet in front of the house.
> 
> I have 1 hard wired Kiddie unit that  also talks wirelessly to 9 battery 
> operated detectors. These units have given me no issues.
> 
> 73
> Don AC2EV
> 
> 
>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 22:05, rfi-request@contesting.com wrote:
>> 
>> RFI] RFI With Smoke Detectors
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 07:17:29 -0400
> From: Howard Lester <howard220@gmail.com>
> To: Stan Zawrotny <k4sbz.stan@gmail.com>
> Cc: "EDWARDS, EDDIE J" <eedwards@oppd.com>,    "RFI@contesting.com"
>    <RFI@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RFI] RFI With Smoke Detectors
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> To clarify for others, I don't think you mean the detectors are battery
> operated. Rather, they (like mine in my hard-wired system) have batteries
> (typically 9V) used for backup power.
> 
> Howard
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Stan Zawrotny <k4sbz.stan@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ??
>> 
>>>> You have a somewhat unusual configuration compared to most that just
>> install battery operated, independent units.
> 
> 
>> Actually not. Wireless smoke detector systems are very common. If one
>> detector alerts, it alerts all detectors throughout the house. Each unit is
>> battery operated. But independent units are not installed in modern homes
>> any more.
>> 
>> ?
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 09:42:45 -0500
> From: Richard Battles <wb4byq@gmail.com>
> To: Howard Lester <howard220@gmail.com>
> Cc: Stan Zawrotny <k4sbz.stan@gmail.com>,    "RFI@contesting.com"
>    <RFI@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RFI] RFI With Smoke Detectors
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> Replaced the group with independent units that use batteries.  the reason
> was that I noticed that the circuit board was showing signs of heat stress
> around a diode and resistor inside the unit.  The security alarm system was
> upgraded to
> handle smoke detectors as well.  No RFI issues.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:17 AM, Howard Lester <howard220@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> To clarify for others, I don't think you mean the detectors are battery
>> operated. Rather, they (like mine in my hard-wired system) have batteries
>> (typically 9V) used for backup power.
>> 
>> Howard
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Stan Zawrotny <k4sbz.stan@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> ??
>>> 
>>>>> You have a somewhat unusual configuration compared to most that just
>>> install battery operated, independent units.
>> 
>> 
>>> Actually not. Wireless smoke detector systems are very common. If one
>>> detector alerts, it alerts all detectors throughout the house. Each unit
>> is
>>> battery operated. But independent units are not installed in modern homes
>>> any more.
>>> 
>>> ?
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:26:19 -0400
> From: Howard Lester <howard220@gmail.com>
> To: Group RFI <rfi@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RFI] RFI With Smoke Detectors
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> Stan, my hardwired alarms are First Alert 9120B, Lowe's item #304196 I
> bought as a 6-pack. I have no RFI problems with them. Maybe you should
> consider switching out what you have.  ?  I run 100 watts 160-10 on a 140'
> long inverted-V about 30' high at the apex, and about 35' from the house. I
> also run 100 watts on 6 meters to a small antenna mounted on a 15' mast
> attached to my back deck, thus about 12' from the house.
> 
> Howard N7SO
> 
> ?
> 
> Unfortunately, replacement is not an option. It is a two family house that
>> I built with my daughter and her husband. We have the "mother-in-law" side.
>> There are about two dozen of them wired throughout the two sides of a large
>> house with fairly new construction. I don't mind the chirping so much in my
>> shack, but the chirping over in their side is what is most of the problem.
>> The system is set up so that a fire on one side causes alarms to sound on
>> both sides.
>> 
>> Stan, K4SBZ
>> ? <%28850%29%20893-5003>
>> 
>> ?
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 09:48:34 -0400
> From: "Roger (K8RI)" <k8ri@rogerhalstead.com>
> To: rfi@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RFI] RFI With Smoke Detectors
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> I have 3 smoke detectors and 3 CO detectors.
> The CO are independent and run off 120 VAC, the smoke detectors are 
> independent and battery operated. No AC connections.  No RFI, 160 
> through 440.  I run the legal power limit  160 through 10. The house is 
> under the 160 half sloper and within 60 feet on 144 and 440. the other 
> antennas are 90 feet plus.
> Tribander is down, but getting ready to go back up.
> 
> 73
> 
> Roger  (K8RI)
> 
> 
>> On 8/18/2015 7:17 AM, Howard Lester wrote:
>> To clarify for others, I don't think you mean the detectors are battery
>> operated. Rather, they (like mine in my hard-wired system) have batteries
>> (typically 9V) used for backup power.
>> 
>> Howard
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Stan Zawrotny <k4sbz.stan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ??
>>> 
>>>>> You have a somewhat unusual configuration compared to most that just
>>> install battery operated, independent units.
>> 
>>> Actually not. Wireless smoke detector systems are very common. If one
>>> detector alerts, it alerts all detectors throughout the house. Each unit is
>>> battery operated. But independent units are not installed in modern homes
>>> any more.
>>> 
>>> ?
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:13:38 -0400
> From: Stanley Zawrotny <k4sbz.stan@gmail.com>
> To: Richard Battles <wb4byq@gmail.com>
> Cc: Howard Lester <howard220@gmail.com>,    "RFI@contesting.com"
>    <RFI@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RFI] RFI With Smoke Detectors
> Message-ID: <EE88F336-178F-478A-8957-D5EF6120FF3C@gmail.com>
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> 
> Unfortunately, replacement is not an option. It is a two family house that I 
> built with my daughter and her husband. We have the "mother-in-law" side. 
> There are about two dozen of them wired throughout the two sides of a large 
> house with fairly new construction. I don't mind the chirping so much in my 
> shack, but the chirping over in their side is what is most of the problem. 
> The system is set up so that a fire on one side causes alarms to sound on 
> both sides.
> 
> Stan, K4SBZ
> (850) 893-5003 (H)   (850) 590-6617 (M)
> 
> "Real radio bounces off the sky."
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Richard Battles <wb4byq@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Replaced the group with independent units that use batteries.  the reason 
>> was that I noticed that the circuit board was showing signs of heat stress 
>> around a diode and resistor inside the unit.  The security alarm system was 
>> upgraded to
>> handle smoke detectors as well.  No RFI issues.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:17 AM, Howard Lester <howard220@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> To clarify for others, I don't think you mean the detectors are battery
>>> operated. Rather, they (like mine in my hard-wired system) have batteries
>>> (typically 9V) used for backup power.
>>> 
>>> Howard
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Stan Zawrotny <k4sbz.stan@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ??
>>>> 
>>>>>> You have a somewhat unusual configuration compared to most that just
>>>> install battery operated, independent units.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Actually not. Wireless smoke detector systems are very common. If one
>>>> detector alerts, it alerts all detectors throughout the house. Each unit is
>>>> battery operated. But independent units are not installed in modern homes
>>>> any more.
>>>> 
>>>> ?
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