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Re: [RFI] RFI Digest, Vol 241, Issue 21

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Subject: Re: [RFI] RFI Digest, Vol 241, Issue 21
From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Reply-to: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 13:13:58 -0800
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Excellent post, Kenneth. I've been involved in EMC for more than 25 years as Vice-Chair of the EMC WG of the Audio Engineering Society Standards Committee, largely composed of members from the UK and North America. We first became aware of serious RFI issues from variable-speed motor controllers for elevators in buildings with large performance spaces, and all of the issues were the result of massive failures by system designers. We learned then that controllers were usually widely separated from their motors, and wiring practices were ignorant of the fundamentals of preventing both magnetic and electromagnetic coupling.

The same failings are present in consumer products like HVAC systems, and in industrial control systems. I'm encouraged that you and your colleagues are doing your part to educate designers of these systems.

One of the most important principles that we learned is that avoiding the creation of the fields is at least as important as shielding. For example, all current-carrying conductors MUST be twisted pair, and circuit layout, including board layout, is critical. In the NJ Performing Arts Center, where Neil Muncy first encountered the issue with elevator motors, it was the magnetic field that was coupling into audio system wiring. Since current-carrying conductors are nearly always bypassed to "ground," it is critical that ground conductors be run WITH and tightly couples to current carrying conductors so that they function as transmission lines.

In his lectures, Henry Ott has emphasized this principle, noting that when "ground" layers on boards are interrupted under signal, the traces no longer form transmission lines, wreaking all sorts of havoc. He also observes the invisible schematic hiding behind the ground symbol.

73, Jim K9YC

On 2/14/2023 12:20 PM, Kenneth Wyatt via RFI wrote:
Steve is correct that it’s possible to purchase large appliances that are designed with EMC 
in mind (mostly for the European market). As an EMC consultant for the past 15 years, I’ve 
helped several appliance clients with their washing machines, air conditioning systems, etc. achieve 
EMI compliance. The problems I’ve seen include EMI mains filters located too far inside the 
works, which allows noise coupling directly into the mains wiring. Also the VS drive electronics is 
not fully enclosed with shielding. But the biggest problem is that the internal cable routing is 
haphazard, allowing multiple coupling between noisy circuits and mains wiring, which can lead to 
both radiated and conducted emissions.

I, and a handful of others, in the world also teach product design for 
compliance to EMC and product safety, but these topics are largely ignored in 
college and university. The result is that designers end up learning the hard 
way about EMC and the end users bear the consequences.


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