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Subject: [TenTec] LONG: Audio improvements on Argonaut VI
From: Bill Cotter <n4lg@qx.net>
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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 08:06:31 -0400
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Carlos,

I recently repaired a Delta 580 that had no audio output. Inspection found that the LM-383 had a corner blown off. I ordered a couple of the LM-383 AF amps and replaced the defective one. The audio stage worked, but with a lot of hiss, AND it burned my finger to the touch.

I put a scope on the AF output and saw that it was oscillating around 100kHz. All the components surrounding the amp tested good (cap values OK, low ESR, no leakage), so I dug out the LM-383 data sheet. Right away it was clear that TenTec had deviated considerable from the recommended circuit.

The U1 feedback loop capacitor C5 installed was a 4.7uF and National recommended a 470uF, so I changed it to the recommended value of 470uF. Also, TenTec had only installed C4 a .22uF mylar, when national called for the output stabilizer pair of a 0.2uF and a 1-ohm resistor in series. I added the resistor. The 100kHz oscillation went away, and the amp was dead quiet with the AF gain all the way down. Unfortunately, with the gain up the OP amp noise from the preceding stages came into play.

Lesson learned, TenTec took a shortcut to save a few cents on components while deviating from the manufacturer's recommendations. I had a second Delta 580 on the bench for a PTO rebuild, and it did not have the AF problem as the first Delta. Go figure, sometime you get away with things, sometimes you don't. I have seen these AF output issues in the Corsair-I series as well.

My suggestion is to examine the Argonaut schematics for the audio chain, and look to the manufactures recommendations. Did TenTec follow these recommendations, or are there compromises that may come into play? Also, use a scope or spectrum analyzer to see the nature of the hiss - is it wideband or does it have specific spectral components?

73 Bill N4LG


At 03:24 AM 8/21/2018, you wrote:
Hi,

I think that most of you are not understanding the question.

- I bought a (lovely) Argonaut VI.
- The received audio sounds distorted, it improves with headphones.
- To get a feeling of the noise generated (solely) by the audio chain I
minimize any noise generated by the RF/DSP chain by:

  - disconnecting the antenna
  - taking RF Gain to the minimum


- I still hear a hiss, even worse than the Corsair II hiss in the same
conditions, so:

- it is a known design feature and can be improved (like the Corsair
II), or
   - I have something damaged.




Any hints will be greatly appreciated.


About the clicking noise when turning the dial: I'm just asking if it can
be improved.



73,
Carlos VK1EA






On Monday, August 20, 2018, Carlos <carlos.peco@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just bought an Argonaut VI and got disappointed with the received audio
(when comparing it with a Corsair II).
>
> When monitoring with headphones it improves a lot, but there is some hiss in the background, even without antenna and the RF gain all the way to the
left.
>
> Do you guys think that I might have a damaged audio amplifier? Is there
an easy way to improve the received audio with the in-built speaker?
PBT/BW/NR settings are OK, I even performed a factory reset.
>
> Using headphones, I can hear a weak pulsing noise when rotating the
frequency encoder. Is there a way to eliminate that ?
>
> 73,
> Carlos VK1EA
>
>
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