I fully agree with John. I have been running 100 watts in to a dipole on 160
and all I am raising is electricity bill from years. Unless you have decent
power on TB no use warming the chair.
73
vu2gsm
Kanti
> On Mar 21, 2017, at 05:42, John Harden, D.M.D. <jhdmd@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> If you want to work the rare ones on Top Band low power is pointless... You
> are simply banging your head against the wall... It takes maximum power,
> great receiving antennas and a good transmitting antenna. I really starting
> hearing well when I began using a rotary FLAG at 95 feet in DIVERSITY RECEIVE
> with a Hi-Z 8 Array...
>
> 73,
>
>
> John, W4NU
>
> K4JAG (1959 to 1998)
>
>
>> On 3/20/2017 12:25 PM, rick darwicki via Topband wrote:
>> In contests I call a lot of guys barefoot first and kick on the amp as
>> needed. Problem is usually a guy running full power can be heard out here
>> but has an S-8 noise level and can't hear 100W..Yes you can work a lot of DX
>> with low power, but as an ex-QRP club member I learned life if too short, 9
>> to go for DXCC on 160 and sweating it.
>> 5U and TU can't hear me thru the pile up but I'll bet they can copy if there
>> was nobody else on.
>> Tried JT65 and it seems CW work also work when it works.Bottom line is you
>> typically need power on the low bands to overcome the other guys noise. Rick
>> N6PE======================================================================
>> There are more planes in the ocean than submarines in the sky
>>
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>>
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>> 1. Digital modes on TB and power required (Jim Jim)
>> 2. Re: Digital modes on TB and power required (wb6rse1@mac.com)
>> 3. Re: Digital modes on TB and power required (HAROLD SMITH JR)
>> 4. Re: Digital modes on TB and power required (Mike Waters)
>> 5. Re: JT65 Power and bandwidth (Rob Atkinson)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:14:12 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: Jim Jim <wa3mej@comcast.net>
>> To: List-Topband <topband@contesting.com>
>> Subject: Topband: Digital modes on TB and power required
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>> Guys,
>>
>> First of all in many cases the reason we need really high power on any mode
>> is because other hams on the band are using it and they cover us up... so it
>> is mine is bigger than yours. Now to be fair that is not always the case I
>> know but it happens far too much. Since we are in the years of the bottom
>> of the solar cycle we actually may need more power. Also you can not
>> compare doing meteor scatter or EME work with HF work. There you absolutely
>> need power unless you have stacked 18 element beams or something. But I
>> have seen very very few instances when 50 watts wont get the job done EVEN
>> on 160M. and NO I don't run my RX with a wide open front end I have an IC
>> 7300 and I trim my RX and TX filters to a reasonable width based on the mode
>> I am running. Common sense (and good engineering principals) teach you if
>> you cut the RX bandwidth the signal goes up in strength. You have only to
>> try that with CW to learn that. and for those of you that don't
>> understand the princ
i
> p
>> al of RX front end overload try having a neighbor 4 miles away as the crow
>> files who is trying to call the same DX you are wanting to work he can be
>> half a kHz away and still give you problems even with a good RX. Now you
>> guys with the really big antennas can mitigate some of this but us little
>> pistols have only once choice ... wait until you neighbor is done. And to
>> be neighborly both my neighbor and I do just that. Something to also
>> consider when you run any digital mode even RTTY and you do it through a
>> sound card you should not be drawing ANY.. not even a little ALC and if you
>> do you not only will make it hard for others to copy you but you could
>> easily cause all kinds of splatter on the band, you have only to listen to
>> some to the signal on 40 and 20 meters to see this.
>>
>> I am not saying any of this to flame or inflame anyone it is simply the way
>> it is. High power is RARELY necessary on the lower bands.
>>
>>
>> Doubt me? Set your transceiver up on WSPR and set it to 20w and find out.
>> When TB was open I was heard all over the world with that power .. and yes
>> even VK. If all of this is not convincing then follow the FCC rules .. use
>> only the power necessary to do that job
>>
>>
>> Oh by the way many of these digital modes are high duty cycle and could do
>> damage to your transceiver.
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> On the higher bands, low power generally gets the job done. But digital
>> folks on 160 need to rethink a few things. Ideally, we should ALL just bump
>> our output up to 100 watts. But that's just not gonna happen. ?
>>
>> I don't have the time right now to add more, but I hope this thread nets
>> some useful suggestions to minimize QRN in the 160m digital portion.
>>
>> 73, Mike
>> www.w0btu.com http://www.w0btu.com/
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:42:18 -0700
>> From: wb6rse1@mac.com
>> To: Top Band List List <topband@contesting.com>
>> Subject: Re: Topband: Digital modes on TB and power required
>> Message-ID: <C9E69442-3141-4A38-A05C-2BD29E827C3C@mac.com>
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>> Try that on 160 from the left coast to EU and AF and you might get very a
>> different perspective.
>>
>> 73 - Steve WB6RSE
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 19, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Jim Jim <wa3mej@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> But I have seen very very few instances when 50 watts wont get the job done
>> EVEN on 160M.
>>
>> High power is RARELY necessary on the lower bands.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 02:31:32 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: HAROLD SMITH JR <w0rihps@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "wb6rse1@mac.com" <wb6rse1@mac.com>, Top Band List List
>> <topband@contesting.com>
>> Subject: Re: Topband: Digital modes on TB and power required
>> Message-ID: <2090077556.3483773.1489977092492@mail.yahoo.com>
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>> Try that from the mid-west and you will have to wait, wait and wait and then
>> wait some more.Been there, done
>> that......................................................................................................................................................
>>
>>
>> Try that on 160 from the left coast to EU and AF and you might get very a
>> different perspective.
>>
>> 73 - Steve WB6RSE
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 19, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Jim Jim <wa3mej@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> But I have seen very very few instances when 50 watts wont get the job done
>> EVEN on 160M.
>>
>> High power is RARELY necessary on the lower bands.
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 22:13:50 -0500
>> From: Mike Waters <mikewate@gmail.com>
>> To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
>> Subject: Re: Topband: Digital modes on TB and power required
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>>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 8:42 PM, <wb6rse1@mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Try that on 160 from the left coast to EU and AF and you might get very a
>>> different perspective.
>>>
>>> 73 - Steve WB6RSE
>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:31 PM, HAROLD SMITH JR <w0rihps@sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Try that from the mid-west and you will have to wait, wait and wait and
>>> then wait some more. Been there, done that................................
>> Well said, Steve and Harold! That's usually true even if you have a super
>> station.
>>
>> Maybe Jim has a better antenna system? Or a better location? We're all
>> ears, maybe we'll learn something new.
>>
>> 73. Mike
>> www.w0btu.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 19, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Jim Jim <wa3mej@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> But I have seen very very few instances when 50 watts wont get the job
>>> done EVEN on 160M.
>>>
>>> High power is RARELY necessary on the lower bands.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 08:57:12 -0500
>> From: Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo@gmail.com>
>> To: topband@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: Topband: JT65 Power and bandwidth
>> Message-ID:
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>>> FCC regs say you should use the minimum power necessary to establish
>>> communications.
>> Um, no. Here's what it actually says:
>>
>>
>> ?97.313 Transmitter power standards.
>>
>> (a) An amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power
>> necessary to carry out the desired communications.
>>
>>
>> Your "desired communications" are not my "desired communications." I
>> desire solid armchair copy. On 160 that usually means QRO.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Rob
>> K5UJ
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