Hey topbanders,
I am also every morning 2:30 UTC on 160m CW, check at first W1AW beacon
1802,5 Mhz. Signal is mostly clear RST 559.
Than i call CQ and check RBN, the NA skimmer received me from 10-24dB. But no
answer from NA stations. Conditions are not bad, so please listen more for DX
from EU.
vy 73 Andy DL8LAS
www.dl8las.de
www.dl8las.com
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1. Lack of NA Activity on CW (Roger Kennedy)
2. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (lennart.michaelsson@telia.com)
3. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (Peter Sundberg)
4. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (uy0zg)
5. Re: Fresnel Zone (Emir Memic)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 09:16:30 +0100
From: "Roger Kennedy" <roger@wessexproductions.co.uk>
To: <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Topband: Lack of NA Activity on CW
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I get that many stations only use FT8 these days (out of laziness?) . . .
But there are plenty of Top Band DXers (like me) who would never ever use
FT8 . . . but many of these people hardly ever come on the band !
It takes a pretty big setup to have a decent 160m DX station . . . what's
the point in having invested all that time and money if the only time you
ever come on the band is to work some DX-pedition?!
Personally, what gives me a buzz is working ANY station on 160m more than a
couple of thousand miles away. (it's the only band where that's actually an
achievement).
I don't care how many times I've worked that station before . . . and I also
don't waste hours trying to get through a pile-up to work a DX-pedition
station, as I'm really not bothered (I've usually already worked the island
they're on anyway)
It's becoming a self-fulfilling prophesy . . . If nobody makes the effort to
come on the band on CW, there will be nobody on the band !!
Roger G3YRO
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 10:25:24 +0200
From: <lennart.michaelsson@telia.com>
To: "'Roger Kennedy'" <roger@wessexproductions.co.uk>,
<topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Lack of NA Activity on CW
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Roger et al,
I was on early this morning and even checked in on ON4KST.
Called a few CQ DX on 1826.5 without response so back to bed. Yet I did see
quite a few US callsigns on the chat. Perhaps they never check out?
73 all
Len SM7BIC
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Fr?n: Topband <topband-bounces@contesting.com> F?r Roger Kennedy
Skickat: den 23 april 2019 10:17
Till: topband@contesting.com
?mne: Topband: Lack of NA Activity on CW
I get that many stations only use FT8 these days (out of laziness?) . . .
But there are plenty of Top Band DXers (like me) who would never ever use
FT8 . . . but many of these people hardly ever come on the band !
It takes a pretty big setup to have a decent 160m DX station . . . what's
the point in having invested all that time and money if the only time you
ever come on the band is to work some DX-pedition?!
Personally, what gives me a buzz is working ANY station on 160m more than a
couple of thousand miles away. (it's the only band where that's actually an
achievement).
I don't care how many times I've worked that station before . . . and I also
don't waste hours trying to get through a pile-up to work a DX-pedition
station, as I'm really not bothered (I've usually already worked the island
they're on anyway)
It's becoming a self-fulfilling prophesy . . . If nobody makes the effort to
come on the band on CW, there will be nobody on the band !!
Roger G3YRO
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 10:17:20 +0000
From: Peter Sundberg <sm2cew@telia.com>
To: <lennart.michaelsson@telia.com>, "'Roger Kennedy'"
<roger@wessexproductions.co.uk>, <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Lack of NA Activity on CW
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Let's ponder:
FT8 - everyone is on ONE center frequency
(passband) and their computer is transmitting
every 15 seconds for hours on end, regardless if
they are in contact with another computer or not
FT8 - all the computers that are "hearing" other
computers are making use of the built in 50 Hz filter in FT8
FT8 - computers "heard" are lined up and presented nicely sorted on the screeen
FT8 - some computers that are not fully copied
are still presented as "heard" by use of the "a priori" functionality
FT8 - listening in by ear on 1840 it sure sounds like high activity
CW - people call CQ on an unspecified frequency, sometimes with long interrupts
CW - listeners can't easily surf the band and dig
in the noise in 50 Hz bandwidth
CW - without knowledge of who is where we need
good signals to attract our attention and so we can start focusing
CW - summer conditions vary, but one thing is for
sure, the noise is certainly higher and many have
taken their microscopes (receiving antennas) down for the season
CW - many of us also have to live with a less
effective TX antenna during the summer as we have
to roll in our extensive radial field
CW - the KST chat list a lot of interesting and
capable stations but most of them don't transmit every 15 seconds
CW - not all who are active announce themselves on KST
Bottom line:
CW - it sure would be easier for us to only
monitor a specific world wide calling frequency, but this is not realistic
CW - we have to accept that it is more difficult
to do manual CW than single channel FT8 for reasons described above
CW - if we transmit more we will be heard :-)
CW - we are not lazy operators, we still love CW
and continue to make noise whenever we can, despite the problems listed above
CW - we take on a challenge, we don't give up
CW- we look at the surrounding actors in a
realistic way and realize what they are doing,
duly noting that our table has better food
CW - we fully admire our colleagues in the
southern hemisphere for being there all the time
during our prime season up north!
CW is King!
73
Peter SM2CEW
At 08:25 2019-04-23, lennart.michaelsson@telia.com wrote:
>Roger et al,
>I was on early this morning and even checked in on ON4KST.
>Called a few CQ DX on 1826.5 without response so back to bed. Yet I did see
>quite a few US callsigns on the chat. Perhaps they never check out?
>
>73 all
>Len SM7BIC
>
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>Fr?n: Topband <topband-bounces@contesting.com> F?r Roger Kennedy
>Skickat: den 23 april 2019 10:17
>Till: topband@contesting.com
>?mne: Topband: Lack of NA Activity on CW
>
>
>I get that many stations only use FT8 these days (out of laziness?) . . .
>
>But there are plenty of Top Band DXers (like me) who would never ever use
>FT8 . . . but many of these people hardly ever come on the band !
>
>It takes a pretty big setup to have a decent 160m DX station . . . what's
>the point in having invested all that time and money if the only time you
>ever come on the band is to work some DX-pedition?!
>
>Personally, what gives me a buzz is working ANY station on 160m more than a
>couple of thousand miles away. (it's the only band where that's actually an
>achievement).
>
>I don't care how many times I've worked that station before . . . and I also
>don't waste hours trying to get through a pile-up to work a DX-pedition
>station, as I'm really not bothered (I've usually already worked the island
>they're on anyway)
>
>It's becoming a self-fulfilling prophesy . . . If nobody makes the effort to
>come on the band on CW, there will be nobody on the band !!
>
>Roger G3YRO
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 14:29:44 +0300
From: uy0zg <uy0zg@mksat.net>
To: Topband <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Lack of NA Activity on CW
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Hi All
Victor
you need to stop listening to dx via the internet!
When will you make an RX antenna?
The availability and use of RX antennas is a great pleasure.
Here is an example of the antenna Anatoly UT2XQ
http://www.topband.in.ua/2019/04/22/ut2xq-antennas/
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Nick, UY0ZG
http://www.topband.in.ua
Victor Goncharsky via Topband ????? 2019-04-23 10:23:
> This is not always the case. I have noticed long openings to Caribbean
> during last year 6m season with signal levels good enough for reliable
> CW QSOs but only FT8 portion of the band was alive.
> Will see what will happen this year. Top band game is almost over with
> the last 3 new ones worked in April (but missed XR0) so 6m antenna is
> on its way to the tower this week.
>
>
> 73, Victor Goncharsky US5WE/K1WE (UW5W in VHF contests, ex UB5WE), P.E.
> UARL Technical and VHF Committies
> DXCC Honor Roll #1 (Mixed, Phone), 9BDXCC, 8BWAS
> DXCC card checker (160 meters).
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 15:56:41 +0000
From: Emir Memic <emir.memic@emssolutions.at>
To: Ray Higgins <ray.w2re@gmail.com>, "topband@contesting.com"
<topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Fresnel Zone
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Ray,
If we are talking about horizontal polarized antennas
You cant be high enough on 80m/160m
And there is no needs to think a lot about effects of fresnel zone on 160/80
Not even with 300m high tower
Of course if there are no uphills around you .....but so far understand you
That location is free with slight slope around
In my mind its important to have flat or homogeny slope in desired direction
Effect of excellent soil is not so critical for ground reflection if you are
using horizontal polarized antennas!
On other side for vertical antennas soil is more important but directly under
the antennas and in closed flied!
In simple words if you can have antenna in saltwater or very close to it put it
in
If you are far away from good soil with vertical (even 1 wavelength) you will
need standard numbers of radials under the antenna!
Iif you are on flat terrain with excellent soil you will need very large
antenna on high tower to outperform 4SQ on 80m !
On 160m is non sense to even try something else than vertical or vertical arrays
73s
Braco
E77DX
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Von: Topband <topband-bounces@contesting.com> Im Auftrag von Ray Higgins
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. April 2019 16:49
An: topband@contesting.com
Betreff: Topband: Fresnel Zone
I have two questions about fresnel zone.
I just purchased 22.5/ac near the ocean near Machiasport, ME. This is in the
Northeast corner of Maine about 30 miles south of Eastport and a Lubec. This is
going to be my personal Remote Contest station! I plan to be contesting from
this new qth starting in 2020 but will be QRV by mid 2019 for testing.
This qth is anywhere between 1-3 miles from the ocean or the bay, it sits on a
high plateau 150? asl thats slopes in all directions to saltwater (peninsula)
except N/NW. The property has a saltwater river and marsh that runs the
perimeter from south to north favoring the NE direction, the marsh is only
50-100' wide and 1500-2000? away from the property. The land has a gradual
slope to the marsh.
My questions:
1.) Is the saltwater river bed/marsh wide enough to be an effective field in
the Fresnal Zone?
2.) What is the wavelengths needed to be within the Fresnal zone of a
river/marsh compared to an ocean?
In this photo album (last pic) I have outlined the river saltwater marsh and
property boundry from a google earth shot.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ui79t2jFo95b29et6
I?m only concerned about 80 and 160m in the Fresnal Zone.
Any input would be welcomed.
Thanks,
Ray W2RE
Sent from my iPhone
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