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Re: Topband: Fresnel Zone

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Subject: Re: Topband: Fresnel Zone
From: donovanf@starpower.net
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 12:09:20 -0400 (EDT)
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Hi Sinisa, 



See the last paragraph in this email for a very specific answer to 
Ray's original question... 


Your comments about applying this 57 year old classic publication 
are exactly correct. 


First determine the desired elevation angle(s), t hen select the antenna 
height that optimally illuminates the Fresnel zone. 


HFTA does a good job of performing this basic analysis, although it 
doesn't perform Fresnel zone analysis. Instead HFTA leaves it up to 
the user to analyze several azimuth offsets to adequately analyze the 
full width of the Fresnel zone over which the antenna's elevation 
pattern is formed. 


The width of the Fresnel zone is 5.66 times the height of the antenna 
at a distance of approximately the height of the antenna (for antennas 
at the optimal height of the desired elevation angle) divided by the 
tangent of the elevation angle. 


For an elevation angle of ten degrees the Fresnel zone reaches its 
maximum width approximately six wavelengths in front of the 
antenna, the near edge of the Fresnel zone is approximately one 
wavelength in front of the antenna and the outer edge of the 
Fresnel zone is approximately 30 wavelengths in front of the 
antenna. 


Detailed Fresnel zone analysis of vertical antennas is impractical 
because of the variability of soil conductivity within the large 
Fresnel zone. Fortunately s oil conductivity isn' t a significant factor 
for horizontal polarization except for very dry, low conductivity soils. 


The location of far edge of the Fresnel zone for vertically polarized 
antennas (related to Ray's original question) is highly dependent on 
soil conductivity in approximately the outer 75% of the Fresnel zone. 
The outer 75% of the Fresnel zone can add 3 dB or more to the 
low angle performance of vertical antennas if most of the soil 
(or water) within the outer 75% of the Fresnel zone is highly 
conductive. 


The specific answer to Ray's original question regarding a 
160 meter 1/4 wavelength vertical is: 
For a 10 degree elevation angle -- f or each specified azimuth angle -- 
more than half of the low angle radiation is formed in an area 
approximately 500 feet wide located 3000 to 15,000 feet in front 
of the vertical. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "shristov" <shristov@ptt.rs> 
To: topband@contesting.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 8:16:37 AM 
Subject: Re: Topband: Fresnel Zone 

> donovanf@starpower.net wrote: 

> The classic source for Fresnel zones as they apply to HF site 
> selection is NBS Technical Note 139: 
> https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/Legacy/TN/nbstechnicalnote139.pdf 


This indeed is a classical source, but it should be noted that the derivation 
assumes that the elevation angle actually used for communication 
is equal to the elevation angle of the peak of lowest ground reflection lobe. 

This may or may not be the case. 

In amateur operation, communication is often done using elevation angles 
well below the peak of the lowest lobe, because of inability to erect very high 
antennas. 
In such cases, the first Fresnel zones extends much further than the 
equation 3.4-4 predicts. Correct formulas may be derived using the same 
procedure, while separating communication angle from lobe peak angle. 

Using vertical antennas additionally complicates matters. 
I am not aware of any work on this topic. 


73, 

Sinisa YT1NT, VE3EA 



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