Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 06:13:21 -0400
From: Mark K3MSB <mark.k3msb@gmail.com>
To: Mike Waters <mikewate@gmail.com>
Cc: ad4hk2004@yahoo.com, topband <topband@contesting.com>, Tree
<tree@kkn.net>
Subject: Re: Topband: RE topband Leaving
<I had to go rummage around my Trash folder to find the original post that
<started this from the FT8 arguments in addition to the "millennials causing
<the WWV shutdown" argument, it appears that the parts of the hobby that I
<enjoy do not cross paths with those on the topband reflector. Although I
<wish you all many CW DX, it appears that I am no longer welcome and that I
<must take my leave.?
<I've no idea what the millennial and WWV comment is about as I did not
<follow that thread.
<So we're back to the old FT8 vs CW argument. Was this person
<specifically harassed and hunted down for his views? Shame on the
<moderators if that's what happened. Or, did ?the leaver? just not feel
<welcomed because others expressed contrary views and wouldn't back off?
<73 Mark K3MSB
## I went through it all with a microscope. The fellow in question needs
thicker skin, its a simple as that. On some of the car forums I belong to,
like the mustang forum, you require really thick skin.
## Everybody is entitled to an observation, comment, point of view,
counter argument, etc, etc. I just laughed at the.. millennials causing the
wwv shut down...... they have nothing to do with it of course. It was most
likely
..tongue in cheek. I use wwv to align my tcxos... using the 20 mhz wwv as
1st choice....and 15 mhz wwv as 2nd choice.
## FT8 vs cw. No brainer there folks. FT8 is a game changer...whether you
grasp the concept..or not. Too bad, so sad.
## Remote station on a quiet hilltop.. vs postage stamp sized noisy city lot..
same deal. But remote RX is a big no no. 1.5 kw into a 200 ft tall
stacked array on
upper bands is ok.... but 5 kw into a dipole is a no-no. Both those last 2
make no sense to
me at all. ERP makes more sense. Why is a remote RX a no-no... but a
complete
RX- TX remote station ok ? Who makes these rules ?
## W8JI is a smart fellow... but he still doesnt know how to construct or
design a real
CM choke...that actually works and doesnt blow up.
Folks could easily hear his 2nd harmonic on 80m...so much for the harmonic
suppression
in the amps used. He got a lot of it right... and a lot of it is out to lunch.
His arguments
against the use of ESSB are flawed... unless you use the W8JI convoluted 2
tone test,
with extreme tone spacing..which is the only way to get simultaneous high
and low freqs.
The only other method is program material..like rock n roll. Plane voice
wont do it.
## But thats all water under the bridge. WWV is not about to get shut down
anytime soon.
Nor is FT8 going to be a passing fad. Its here to stay. What do you use
to send cw.. a
vibroplex..or a keyboard ? Whats next..outlaw skimmers ? Just ignore it.
Jim VE7RF
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