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Re: Topband: Single antenna port xcvr but want to employ separatereceive

To: Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com>, Top Band Contesting <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Single antenna port xcvr but want to employ separatereceive antenna
From: James Rodenkirch <rodenkirch_llc@msn.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:43:39 -0700
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I am nervous as well, Tom...hi Hi
I'm really thinking of employing a separate relay that I control with a simple 
switch, vice depending on the rig to switch "correctly"
using a simple switch is antiquated and slow but....for certain I can control 
the switch over mo betta AND prevent damage to the low noise amplifier...

> From: w8ji@w8ji.com
> To: rodenkirch_llc@msn.com; topband@contesting.com
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:37:50 -0500
> Subject: Re: Topband: Single antenna port xcvr but want to employ     
> separatereceive antenna
> 
> > Anyone have an RTR-1 or 1A that is excess to their needs and willing to 
> > sell OR have another idea of how I can employ a separate receive antenna 
> > when I have one antenna port?
> > Thank you, in advance, for any replies....off line replies work for me.
> > 72/73, Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV
> 
> 
> 
> Be REAL careful how you do this, Jim!!!! What works for one radio or system 
> will not always work for another. This is highly radio (and even amplifier) 
> dependent. I can say that based on some very good field experience in how 
> things interface. (I'm actually looking at newer radios today to check their 
> control systems.)
> 
> 
> Many radios only have a few milliseconds between the low signal and the RF 
> output, some don't have any time between the TX signal and the RF output. 
> You have to get any relay completely transferred and all of the bounce gone 
> before RF appears.  Normally the "back to receive" end of the sequence is 
> not a worry.
> 
> Many radios do not have the best timing for the external amplifier relay 
> control ports. Some amplifiers do not like other stuff hanging on the TX 
> control line.
> 
> If you pull a relay low to go TX and you ever lose power to the relay, lose 
> the relay, or lose the relay path, the system defaults with the transmitter 
> running into the receiver antenna. You have to decide if that can damage RX 
> antenna stuff. This requires a fast relay pull in time, and a slow release 
> time..
> 
> The solution seems to be to release a relay to go from RX antenna to the TX 
> antenna, but this system requires a very fast release time and sometimes a 
> slower actuation time. This means we cannot use a backpulse diode because it 
> will slow the relay too much, and it will go into TX mode after the RF 
> appears.
> 
> In all cases the relay has to be pretty fast compared to the radio's window 
> between pulling the TX line low and outputting RF. If the relay is ever 
> mid-way in transfer, still bouncing, or in the wrong position when RF 
> appears, the least that happens is broadband transfer clicks. The most is 
> usually damage to the RX antenna.
> 
> If there is a reasonable way to do it, it is better to add a RX port in the 
> radio and avoid all this. :)
> 
> 73 Tom
>  
> 
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