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[Towertalk] Can my 40' tower be a 160m vertical?

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Subject: [Towertalk] Can my 40' tower be a 160m vertical?
From: ve4xt@mb.sympatico.ca (Kelly Taylor)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:21:19 -0500
Yes, but if you get it from ARRL, then you have to PAY for it.

Oh, wait, the ARRL as capitalist pigs thing is on another reflector. Sorry.

73, kelly
ve4xt
----- Original Message -----
From: "EUGENE SMAR" <spelunk.sueno@prodigy.net>
To: <kb9cry@attbi.com>; "Jim Leahy" <jimleahy@adelphia.net>
Cc: "Towertalk" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Towertalk] Can my 40' tower be a 160m vertical?


> Jim:
>
>      I agree with Phil's recommendations on Jeff's book.  You can get it
> from ARRL.  I based my Trylon 64's shunt feed on Jeff's design.  The key
is
> to have something as a capacitive load at or near the tower top to make
the
> tower appear electrically longer than it is physically.  Your Yagi/40M
> add-on ought to be a pretty good load.
>
>      Many on this reflector would recommend modeling, but I'd say try it
and
> let us all know.  The feed is nothing more than a wire from the bottom of
> the tower and connected near the top, keeping it a couple of feet away
from
> the tower itself (I used PVC tubing as spacer material).  Then you feed
the
> bottom of the wire through a variable transmitting cap of some fairly
large
> value in series with the coax center; I keep the cap insulated from ground
> by mounting it in a plastic weather enclosure (a plastic shoe box from
> K-mart).  The coax shield gets connected to the tower legs and ground
> radials.  Tune the cap for min SWR and call CQ.
>
>      BTW, the sloper might have an impact on your ability to shunt feed
the
> tower.  If you can't get the tower to load, you might want to remove the
> sloper and try again.  (I haven't modeled this, so I'm guessing.)
>
> GL es 73 de
> Gene Smar  AD3F
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kb9cry@attbi.com <kb9cry@attbi.com>
> To: Jim Leahy <jimleahy@adelphia.net>
> Cc: Towertalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Towertalk] Can my 40' tower be a 160m vertical?
>
>
> >QSL on all Jim.  Purchase Jeff Briggs, K1ZM's book from
> >the ARRL titled "DXing on the Edge, The Thrill of 160
> >Meters"  In it you'll find all the info and hints to
> >shunt feed your tower.  I did the same (mine's a 72 ft.
> >Trylon, but as long at the tower is not too high) and it
> >will definately work.  You need the vertically
> >polarized, low angle signal on topband and you don't get
> >that with all the other stuff except a Inverted L, which
> >is also in Jeff's book.  Piks of my shunt feed can be
> >found on my club's website at www.nidxa.org.  Go to the
> >DX Showcase section.  Cu on Topband, 73  Phil  KB9CRY
> >> Hello all. I've always been under the impression that one had to have a
> 100'
> >> or taller tower in order to shunt feed it for 160m. Therefore, for
years
> >> I've been fooling with long wires, random wires, low (25') windoms,
> slopers
> >> etc. without a lot of luck. Plus I'm only running 100w.  But I happened
> >> across a recent thread where WL7M is using his 40' Rohn on 160/80m. Now
> I'm
> >> wondering if I can do this with my 40' freestanding tower and get
better
> >> results with DX. Here's what I have: 40' freestanding tower, Mosley
TA-33
> >> w/40m kit, 3 phillystran guy wires, each leg to a grounding rod and
about
> 8
> >> random length radials buried from the tower base in conjuction with a
> W9INN
> >> all-band wire sloper. Is this a viable setup for using the tower on160m
> >> operation? If so, are there any good books/instructions on exactly how
to
> do
> >> this? I'm also contemplating a Butternut HF2V 80/40 with the 160m kit
> which
> >> would end up being about 31' in length. Winter will be approaching fast
> and
> >> I want to get something different going on Top Band. Plus the fact that
> I've
> >> been inactive for about 3 years, I'm getting itchy! I've worked about
> 25-30
> >> countries with the various wire setups and 100w over the years. Looking
> to
> >> try something different. I'm currently using a Cushcraft AP8 vertical
for
> >> 80/40/WARC operation. That antenna, while serving me well when we lived
> in
> >> an apartment years ago, is really lacking when it comes to 80 meter
> >> operation. That is one of the reasons I'm thinking about the Butternut.
> >> Bottom line, I REALLY need to improve my 80/160m situation. Thanks for
> any
> >> help!
> >> Jim K2JL
> >>
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