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Re: [TowerTalk] M2 20M5 SWR - WX0B SIXPACK

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] M2 20M5 SWR - WX0B SIXPACK
From: "Jorge Diez - CX6VM" <cx6vm.jorge@adinet.com.uy>
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:03:57 -0200
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Thanks!...

The keepers where removed when I received it.

Is brand new, anyway I did this check when antenna A have a brake (sometimes
lost RX) and now is working OK.

73,
Jorge


-----Mensaje original-----
De: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] En nombre de Greg
Enviado el: Jueves, 31 de Diciembre de 2009 06:16 p.m.
Para: towertalk@contesting.com
Asunto: Re: [TowerTalk] M2 20M5 SWR - WX0B SIXPACK

Check the array solutions website about adjusting the relays and/or 
removing the "relay keepers".  There's a doc that explains exactly what 
to do.

http://www.arraysolutions.com/Products/testingasixpak.htm

73
Greg
AB7R


On 12/31/2009 11:31 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well, really not good after know I bought a $450 box and will not be able
to
> use it all times.
>
> I have all setup properly, according to sixpack manual it´s connected to a
> reliable 13.8V power supply (same Kenwood PS I used to power the radio)
and
> not to a 12V wall plug supply.
>
> So if I need to change for another power supply for more than 13.8 volts
> just will be different as the manual suggest.
>
> Anyway, I use it for MS or SO2R contests, so I need to use it, but need it
> to work properly.
>
> I think that any box you add to the station is decreasing the quality of
the
> setup. You need all this for a easy way to change bands, antennas, protect
> RX, but seems hard to find the right one.
>
> Thanks to all the people for the feedback!
>
> Happy New Year 2010!!
>
> 73,
> Jorge
> CX6VM/CW5W
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Bill K2OWR [mailto:k2owr@comcast.net]
> Enviado el: Jueves, 31 de Diciembre de 2009 01:56 p.m.
> Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM
> CC: towertalk@contesting.com
> Asunto: Re: [TowerTalk] M2 20M5 SWR
>
> :::: My guess? The six pack is notorious for intermittent relay contacts.
> I had several of them for years and I was always needing to yank the
> feedlines around on them till the rcvr would come back to life or the
sudden
>
> high swr would go back to normal.
>
> For a while I found that raising the voltage to 15volts or so would make
it
> behave better, but ultimately we just learned to notice when it was
> happening, go to where the boxes were, and smack them around a little :-)
>
> Seriously though, unless you really need them, like for two operating
> positions, I would try to use an old fashioned coax switch instead. This
is
> just my personal experience, but we found a lot of others who went thru
> this. This was 5 years ago, but maybe they made them better now?
>
> BILL K2OWR
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorge Diez - CX6VM"<cx6vm.jorge@adinet.com.uy>
> To:<john@kk9a.com>;<TOWERTALK@contesting.com>
> Cc: "'Hector Garcia XE2K'"<j_hector_garcia@sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:38
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] M2 20M5 SWR
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I just returned to do some measurements.
>
> I have right now installed my back up radio (TS450), with a Diamond SWR, a
> Drake L7 amp and a WX0B sixpack
>
> All the reports I read before, where from my swr meter in the TS450, that
> displays many bars to up to 2.5-2.9:1 SWR.
>
> But today I notice that is only when the sixpack is connected
>
> I put the antenna direct to the radio and the SWR is 1.4:1 in 14000 and
> 1.8:1 in 14400 in both TS450 meter and Diamond SWR meter.
>
> This also happens with my 15M6 antenna: with the antenna to the sixpack it
> have in the TS450 meter a SWR of 2.5 in 21000 to 21400.  With the antenna
> direct to the radio it have 1.2:1 from 21000 to 21300 in both TS450 meter
> and Diamond SWR meter.
>
> What´s wrong?
>
> I change the loop that go from the Diamond SWR to the sixpack and is the
> same, so the problem is not in this coaxial.
>
> Any idea why with the antennas to the sixpack the radio meter display high
> SWR? (here the Diamond display the 1.4:1 in 14000 so is only in the radio
> meter this difference when antennas going to the sixpack)
>
> I fully rotate the antenna and SWR was constant in all the 360 degrees
(just
> a little diference from 1.4:1 to 1.6:1 I think is not a problem)
>
> Anyway in next days I will change the 20M5 to be in parallel with the
XM510
> antenna
>
> Thanks!
> Jorge
> CX6VM
>
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] En nombre de john@kk9a.com
> Enviado el: Lunes, 28 de Diciembre de 2009 11:05 p.m.
> Para: TOWERTALK@contesting.com
> CC: cx6vm.jorge@adinet.com.uy
> Asunto: Re: [TowerTalk] M2 20M5 SWR
>
> Is the SWR OK higher in the band or bad all across.  If it is bad all over
> it is possible that the 10m boom is interacting.  I think that the
Cushcraft
>
> elements are not insulated making it difficult to guess if there is any
boom
>
> interaction without modeling the system. Why is the 10m antenna at 90
> degrees?  There should be little interaction if they are parallel and it
is
> easier to operate the station when the rotators have the correct reading.
>
> John KK9A also P40A
>
>
> To:<TOWERTALK@contesting.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] M2 20M5 SWR
> From: "Jorge Diez - CX6VM"
> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:40:23 -0200
> List-post:<towertalk@contesting.com">mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I installed a M2 antenna, 20M5 at 33 mts.  I assembly it for FULL BAND
> dimensions
>
>
>
> I have in the same tower a stack of three XM510 monobanders for 10 mts,
the
> top one is 3 mts over the 20M5 cross at 90 degrees from the 20M5.
>
>
>
> At 14000 I have 2.9:1
>
>
>
> This will be because of the other 10 mts antennas in the same tower?  Or
at
> FULL BAND the 20M5 have this swr at 14000?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Jorge
>
> CX6VM
>
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