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Re: [TowerTalk] Question on Multiple Inverted L Antennas

To: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@pclink.com>,<towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Question on Multiple Inverted L Antennas
From: "hasan schiers" <schiers@netins.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:03:02 -0500
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Inverted L's have similar bandwidth to a 1/4 wave vertical...and it isn't 
"real broad" without excessive return loss. All measurements need to be made 
at the feedpoint. I've done radial studies on my Inverted L and as radial 
numbers increase, vswr bandwidth DECREASES, exactly as it should. I made 
measurements of feedpoint Z at resonance and 2:1 vswr bandwidth with the 
following number of radials:

0,2,4,6,8,12,16,26

VSWR bandwidth was best with 0 radials (DUH...lots of resistive loss!)
Feedpoint Z dropped from 79 ohms with 0 radials to 29 ohms with 26 radials.
The predicted Rrad is 25.4 ohms

73,

...hasan, N0AN
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@citlink.net>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Question on Multiple Inverted L Antennas


> Gentlemen...
>
> Here we go again... so which is it? Inverted L's have plenty of bandwidth 
> or Inverted L's little bandwidth???
>
> First, let me say if you are not taking your measurements AT THE 
> FEEDPOINT, you are not seeing the true story. Second, a large bandwidth is 
> not necessarily a good thing. The longer and more lossy your transmission 
> line, the better your antenna is going to look from the shack.
>
> Here's an example of what I'm talking about... I have a low 160m inverted 
> vee which I plotted VSWR graphs at the feedpoint and again at the end of 
> 230 feet of rg8x coax. I made absolutely no antenna changes between these 
> two measurements. I posted the superimposed VSWR and RETURN LOSS curves on 
> my website, here: http://tinyurl.com/oh87y  The two PDF files are 72-KB 
> each and can be downloaded and viewed using Adobe Acrobat Reader.
>
> In this specific example, measuring at the end of the coax leads you to 
> believe you have 35% better bandwidth than in reality.
>
> 73 de Bob - K0RC
>
>
>
>> On 13 Jul 2006 13:20 WA3AFS wrote:
>>
>> Please be aware that the bandwidth for a coaxial inverted L is very
>> broad.  My SWR at 1.800 is 1.3 and slowly rises to 1.7 at 2.000Mhz.
>>
>
> But then on 13 Jul 2006 at 13:11, K4SAV wrote:
>
>>> The biggest problem you have with low band multiple L antennas is
>>> matching and bandwidth. To start with, a 160 meter L will not have a lot
>>> of bandwidth...
>
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